I was just over to the Audio Doctor's showroom in Jersey City, a few weeks ago, they have the Anthem AVM 60, and the Audio Control Maestro, I think I saw an Arcam there as well.
I watched a movie in their reference theater and it was totally amazing, one of the best sounding home theaters I have ever heard.
The store owner Dave, builds movie theaters for celebrity clients, he showed me photos of the Movie Theater he designed and built for Rev. Run, from Run DMC, the guy knows his stuff, as evidenced by his theater which he told me was designed, and built by himself and his staff, including construction, room tuning and acoustic paneling. I would give him a call, he knows his stuff, google audio doctor jersey city.
I just upgraded from an Integra DHC-80.3 to the Anthem AVM 60. So far I have to say the reputation for a really clean house sound is well deserved. I use it for HT and music. The ARC-2 is fantastic. I think that alone was worth the upgrade. I would suggest you listen for yourself. I suspect you will not be disappointed.
Have had the SSP-800 in my system for 5 years now. Also use a separate preamp for 2 channel listening & bypass when watching MOVIES/TV or listening to SACD. Ayre makes very good products, though not sure of the model of your preamp. Unless you need the extra channels or headphone amplifier that the AVM 60 offers, not sure you would get better 2 channel SQ than what you have now. Built in room correction is a plus, but; I have had no issue dialing my system in after investing in room acoustics. The SSP-800 is still considered to be a reference quality processor. Mine is going nowhere anytime soon.
That said, from a value stand point you could sell the SSP-800 for say $5,500 and buy a new AVM 60 for $2,999 and bank or re-invest $2,500 or so. The emotional vs economic quandry.
I have kx-5 twenty and vx-5 twenty for two channel and absolutely love them. No plans to replace those.
I certainly love the Classe but am interested in Atmos and some of the new formats coming out. Plus it would be nice to switch 4k video through the processor.
I've been checking out the top of the line Arcam lately. We'll see what happens. Not sure yet.
I highly suspect that you would be losing sound quality if you moved from SSP-800 to an AVM 60. Sure, you would be getting the new sound formats, but I think there is a distinct difference in what's put into the analog audio stages.
You might look into the Krell foundation. With that, you would get 4K and Krell's ARES room correction. I think it may be somewhat of a lateral move in sound quality from the SSP-800 (or maybe a little bit different signature). Of course, you would not get Atmos and DTS:X. Honestly, to me, the new Atmos/DTS:X modes wouldn't really make a difference unless you had the extra speakers (such as height/ceiling). Even so (and I've said this before), I would rather have an ultra-realistic sounding 5.1 system than a decent sounding 9+ channel system. :)
If you had your heart set on Atmos and DTS:X, I would look hard at the Marantz AV8802a to get the most out of sound quality.
I appreciate the advice. Sounds like I would be better off using the extra money on continuing to improve my 2 channel system rather than change out the Classe.
I was not sure how much improvement I would get with a new processor using the new formats.
Just for your information, for many years I continued to use a Krell HTS 7.1 until about a year and half ago when it finally died. Keep in mind this is a product that was released in 2002 (much older than your SSP-800). I had tried several other home theater processors that used HDMI and bluray hi-res audio (including a couple that were very expensive). None of them could reproduce what the HTS 7.1 did in sound quality!! Ya know what, I ended up putting in a new Krell S-1200U (which is about the same generation as your SSP-800).
I did try out the Emotiva XMC-1, which is --probably-- on the same par as the AVM 60. I would say that it gives you an excellent amount of performance for what you are paying. However, even the HDMI audio could not compete with the HTS 7.1 down-converted digital COAX audio! The resolution and separation-of-instruments just wasn’t there and the Emotiva sounded a bit closed in.
I have had my SSP-800 in a Stereo / HT setup for 7 years. The continuing changes to the HDMI standards makes for some difficult and expensive decisions trying to find the right time and product to make a configuration change in higher end systems. For me, the only reason to change is to get 4K HD video thru a one box solution. I remain happy with the Stereo and Home Theatre processing capabilities of the SSP-800. I am looking for a quality HDMI video switch that supports the current HDMI standards and all audio processing modes. With that approach, I could bypass all video switching in the SSP-800 yet retain the audio quality - at a fraction of the price to upgrade. Can anybody offer an HDMI switch recommendation?
@denny001 - I think what you are looking for is to have an HDMI switcher that will switch/process 4K video and send it to your display, while at the same time being able to send your digital audio to your SSP-800 processor. The problem with HDMI switcher/splitter (or matrix) is that an HDMI switcher device will query for every possible display device connected (EDID) and then select the minimum capable resolution. In this case, everything will be downconverted to 1080p even though your hdmi switcher and source are 4K capable. This is because the SSP-800 is not 4K capable and is a target device in the HDMI chain.
On product that -might- be able to do what you are looking for is the Lumagen Radiance Pro. This supports 4K UHD sources and 4K UHD displays. The Lumagen has 2 HDMI outputs. The HDMI 2 output is usually connected to the display. The HDMI 1 output can be connected to an AV Receiver (your Classe SSP-800 in this case) for audio only. In addition, the video for HDMI 1 can be disabled in the Radiance so it might ignore the 1080p limitation of the SSP-800. However, the big advantage of the Radiance is that it has a 21-point greyscale and a 4913 point color cube calibration. You can have an AV engineer calibrate it for your display (this is a significant improvement in color accuracy and impact). The downside of this is that the Radiance Pro is very expensive, starting at $4500.
You can investigate HDMI Matrix switchers. I don’t know if they will do what you want, but they are also expensive. Gefen has a 4K UHD 8x8 Matrix switcher (GTB-HD4K2K-848-BLK) for $2,699.
Another downside of putting an HDMI matrix switcher before your SSP-800 is that you will not be able to see any on-screen menus from the SSP-800, since it is no longer in the direct video chain.
@auxinput - excellent advice re the HDMI switcher. I was not aware that a lower resolution component would impact all switch device outputs. In lieu of a HDMI switcher, could I send all video sources direct to the 4k TV and use the HDMI out from the tv as the SSP-800 audio input? Would I have an audio delay using this configuration?
I'm looking at doing the same thing, but my plan/hope is that the new oppo 205 with 4k output has two hdmi outs. That way i can run one to my projector and the other to the ssp800 (for audio only). I already do something similar now with the oppo105 and 3D movies. I send all video out of the 105 direct to the projector and the audio to the ssp800 since my ssp800 will not process 3D.
I have no idea. If you have a 4k source, you'll just have to try it. It is possible that there might be an audio delay. It depends on how the 4K TV processes the HDMI signal. It could be a "store-and-forward" process or it could be a "passthrough" process.
I'm in the same boat. Have had my ssp800 since 2009 and it has worked flawlessly. Bought the Aurender A10 music server a month ago and it sounds better with the classe bypassed. The classe is a tough sell now and I have one eye on the new Lyngdorf pre/pro.
Looking at the Aurender:
4 completely independent power supplies, each with its own transformer. One for digital transport, one for each of the analog output stages and one for digital/dac. Looks like a fully balanced/differential configuration. I can totally see where the Classe bypassed would work better because the Classe doesn’t have as much into its audio stages. Classe is a very good HT processor, but like all processors, shared power supply for 8 analog channels. Shared transformer for everything. Switched power supply for digital.
I highly doubt that the Lyngdorf will do better than either the Classe or the Aurender, since it now has 16 analog channels to deal with (twice as many as the Classe). Unless your just looking for a higher end HT processor that will support all the new standards and 4K. Also, the Lyngdorf has no analog inputs.
Thanks for the input, auxinput.
Yeah I suppose you're 100% correct. The lyngdorf's dac won't even process full MQA and I would most likely end up bypassing just like the Classe.