Cimpliance Vs Cartridge loading


Hello allI know I'm a pain, but need help??I have a PS Audio, phono stage, trouble is cartridge, loading starts at 100 ohm, then next adjustment, is 500 ohms, I'm running a Dennon?Zu 103, rated as 300 ohms, into 500 ohm, Yea great bass, but the treble is far to harsh, turning, back to 100"ohms,  I have lost all my bass slam??, an the sound is very boring!!, I'm stuck!!
I'm thinking of buying the "Herron VTPH 2 A phono stage, I don't know how this will sound, or is available in Australia??, at lease I can insert any RCA connectors?? , But am confused the difference between  impedance, and cartridge loading??, can some one help, with all the above, the main object, is to keep the great bass, but shaved the top end, just a bit??, it is a bit hard for me as you have many shops, in the US, we have three, and where I live, I'm four hours drive, from them, but they are not any where good??, cheap stuff!!,
Regards
David SpryAustralia

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Compliance has nothing to do with a cartridge loading.
Your cartridge is low compliance anyway, no matter which loading you’re using.

Gold Note PH-10 phono stage will give you an amazing opportunity for MC cartridges, it’s brand new top quality product, you can find more information about it HERE

I am happy with this phono stage for most of my MC (i have many).
External PSU is a must have too

P.S. you can always try your Denon with SUT + MM phono stage as an alternative to your MC phono stage.
I'm pretty sure there are many better cartridges than your Zu DL103 with conical stylus, maybe it's time to try another cartridge with better stylus profile if you need more bass and better treble ? 

Typically, when you go to a lower numeric value for loading (going from 500 ohms to 100 ohms) you are increasing the loading and this does cut the high frequencies.  This tends to make the bass seem MORE prominent, but you are reporting a loss in bass slam, so this is somewhat anomalous.  I think you are hearing increase in bass as bass being a bit loose.  

Your "free" option, at this point, is to try adjusting the vertical tracking angle (VTA) of the cartridge.  This also affects tonal balance--higher angle (toward more of a tail up, nose down attitude) would mean more highs and a leaner tighter bass, lower angle would increase bass and lower treble.  There might be some new combination of loading and VTA that gets you closer to what you want.

Good luck on solving your issues.

What you could be experiencing is a cartridge / tonearm mismatch, not a loading issue.  IME, the Zu/Denon likes a high(er) mass tonearm to get that tight articulated bass.
Yes, a heavier arm (add a US nickel - 5 grams) to the headshell will help, along with some experimentation to the VTA! I own several variants of the 103 and they can be finicky to set up!
For the second time, compliance (of the cartridge) has nothing to do with loading the cartridge.  Every cartridge has an internal resistance or DCR.  The DCR is equal to the resistance you would measure with a meter, if you put one probe on the "hot" pin of the cartridge and the other probe on the "ground" pin of the cartridge, same channel.  (But you shouldn't do this, because the current provided by the meter could fry the coils in the MC cartridge.  Just rely on the manufacturer's number.)  For any MC, the DCR is going to be between around 1 ohm and 40 ohms.  This number affects what will be the load resistance that the cartridge "wants" to see when you hook it up to the phono stage.  For MCs, most phono stages offer values ranging from 100 ohms on up.  In order for the audio signal to travel into the phono section from the cartridge with max efficiency at all audio frequencies, the input impedance (largely determined by that load resistance) ought to be about 10X higher than the internal resistance or DCR of the cartridge.  When you go below this rule of thumb 10X ratio, you begin to lose some of the audio signal to ground; this preferentially affects high frequencies at first.  Thus, when the load R is too low compared to the DCR of the cartridge, you hear that the sound gets "duller".  When the ratio between the two impedances is greater than 10X, e.g., a cartridge with DCR of 10 ohms driving a phono stage with an input load resistance of 100 ohms or higher, you should be ok with regard to flat frequency response within the audio range of 20 to 20KHz.  That's really all you need to know.

When you use a SUT with an MC, that's a different story.
I have a ZU/Denon 103 on my technics SL1200g TT and have it set at 200 ohms.  I have great bass slam and a nice sweet treble. I am using a Mac C2500 preamp which offers on the fly cartridge loading. 
I think the main problem here is not the cartridge per se but the phono stage with its limited lower end choices of 100 or 500.
Really would be ideal to have some options inbetween that range so if intent on sticking with the cart then a change of phono could be the answer.

Always something to spend your money on!
BTW Lewm
Great explanation at least to my not always so technical mind!
Thank you

The denon 103 needs much more then 100ohms. the spec sheet say more then 100ohms not 100ohms. Note also the spec's  from Denon were taken at 1000ohms FYI.

I also have a Denon 103 on my second arm and I find 470 ohms to 1k ohm to be ideal. Mind you the 220 ohm setting is not bad either but the 100 ohm is not ideal at all IMO. The denon 103 really need closer to 1kohm IMO. I usually mine run it at 470ohms.


Glenn, Your personal experience is telling, but the OP seems to be saying that 500 ohms is too "harsh" sounding, and 100 ohms is "boring".  Since 500 ohms is not significantly different from your idea of the optimal 470 ohms, it's possible that the harshness he experiences is due to some other element of his system.  On the other hand, I have read elsewhere that some prefer to really load down the DL103, using load Rs that are near equal to the internal resistance.  I don't know why this would be good, but it suggests that something about the hf response from the DL103 is best attenuated.
Did I miss what the tonearm is?