Chinese fake cables How fake, how good?

re rlb61 post. Neither you nor I know if the cables in China are assembled by child labour but almost certainly they used cheap labour, at least cheaper than the USA. But on the morality issue are you really sure your sneakers, shirts, pants etc etc are not made using child or cheap labour in Mexico, India ,Thailand, Indonesia etc - the list goes on?

Re geoffKait. Most golf clubs these days, including all the big names are manufactured in China and only assembled in the USA. Are you guys in the USA only good assemblers? I think this whole argument is going round in circles as the Chinese mob I bought my cables from is basing their authenticity on the fact that they only assemble genuine Cardas cable and terminations in China.

When I started this thread I mentioned that neither myself or the audio shop salesman could tell the difference between my fake Cardas Clear Light and the real thing. Geoff Kait seems to think that is not possible but I wonder how many Chinese cables Geoff has compared to the real thing. Anyway given my positive experience with the Cardas I decided to try the Odin copy for the mighty price of US$120. The result was amazing, better than the Cardas by far, so next on the list is the fake Odin 2. As I don't know anyone who has the means to buy the genuine Odin or even a  Hi Fi shop in Australia likely to have a pair of interconnects lying around on their inventory I will never be able to compare my fake with the genuine article. I wonder how many of the naysayers re Chinese cables out there have actually tried them. I don't care what the cables look like, cryo'd or not, copper or connectors used, my sole criteria is what difference they make to the sound of my system and the fake cables I have tried so far make plenty difference and all positive.

When I started this thread I mentioned that I had the chance to compare fake Cardas Clear Light interconnects with the real thing and could hear no difference. I have since tried the fake Nordost Odins and find them to be better than the fake Cardas cables. I have no idea whether they sound anywhere close to the real Nordost Odins as I don't know anyone who has the money or is silly enough to spend A$30,000 for a pair of interconnects. I even doubt if Australian Hi Fi stores have these cables in stock given the impact on their inventory costs. What I do know is that to me the cables sound excellent and I would be very surprised if the excellent Holo connectors are not genuine.

Leaving the ethical issues around fakes aside as a separate issue to the quality and sound of the fake Chinese cables as everyone has a right their opinion on ethical matters. However it appears from many of the responses on this thread that many, no lets say most, contributors feel they have a right to express an opinion on the sound of these fakes based on pure bias and ignorance without having heard, seen or bought any of these fake cables. akg_ca above cites a number of links to support his/her negative views but I suspect no first hand experience. Even these links are in some cases based on no first hand experience or worse are from the Audio industry itself which has a clear vested interest in maintaining the inflated cost of genuine audio cables and therefore being very negative about the copies.

The only opinions which IMO matter are from those who have heard the fake cables in their systems. I note that most of the contributors in this category, like myself, are positive about the value for money of these fake cables and even one contributor who has bought and dissected the cables seems impressed with the quality of the fake Odins.

I don't know if there will be many more contributions to this thread but it would be nice if they were based on actual experience rather than bias, heresay and ignorance.

You misunderstand. I agree that on ethical or moral issues everyone has a right to an opinion and that is what I said. However I question the validity of opinions with regard to fake cable quality or sound without having seen or heard the cables in question. 

How about you prove him wrong?

If you buy on Aliexpress you can be sure they are clones but it doesn't mean they sound bad, as many have indicated. If you are buying on ebay from a local seller you can't be sure even when the asking price is 10x that of the Chinese product . Buying from dealers, probably the safest option but can you still be sure?