Changing 100uf cap


Dear friends after the pre and the amp have been caped with the jupiter Iam interested in changing the caps of my speakers also they are all 600vdc but the issue is they are large values like 22uf, 8.2uf,33ufand the biggest 100uf all of them are the Audyn Q6 caps can we do better and what brand will be sensible as they are huge value it will cost a bomb your feed back will be really helpful.
jasbirnandra

Keep in mind, you can piggy back larger caps in order to achieve desired value. Have you ever been to Sonic Craft website?

Sonic Cap Gen I or Gen II will not break the bank and yield fine results

Can one go down with from the 600 VDC to 100VDC

My best advice, contact Sonic Craft. The staff is extremely knowledgeable / professional and will lead you in the right direction.

Cap choices are however a personal preference.

Regards

You don't need 600 vdc caps in a speaker x-over! That is overkill and no sonic benefit!

Can someone provide Sonic Craft phone number its not on the website

 

Email explaining your requests along with a personal callback. They’ll deliver

First, be very careful here. Make sure you measure the equivalent series resistance (ESR) and compensate. This is especially important in caps that go to ground. Dayton Audio DATS is the perfect tool for this.  Messing these up can create a severe and narrow drop in impedance which moist do not expect.

Next, since the largest caps in speakers tend to be the bass caps to ground they don’t usually get the super deluxe treatment. Axion (Solen) is probably good enough.

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Axion (Solen) is probably good enough.

The Audyn Q6 caps in OP’s speakers crossover are MKP film capacitors, I don’t see the need of changing them, IMO.

 

With those values, worthwhile improvements will be out of this world price and massive size would require outboard crossover. Keep what you have.

Here's sone interesting Capacitor Test that might be helpful. It includes 9 clarity caps.

Why do you feel the need to change your xover caps ?

Usually, they are film capacitors and would last more than anyone on this thread would.

Unless any of them are busted, just leave them alone :-)

 

With those values, worthwhile improvements will be out of this world price and massive size would require outboard crossover.

Perhaps upgrade the speaker to active is a better move?

I can't imagine that speaker crossover capacitors would degrade much. 

How old are these? 

Are any showing leakage?

I would suggest having them tested prior to replacing them. 

In electronic components,  the power supply capacitors are the most important to replace first. Then the electrolytic capacitors on the boards. 

 

Capacitors rarely fail but they do slowly degrade. 

This can be measured as a reduction in their ability to hold their value. A 10,000 uf capacitor might start to measure around 9,000 uf.

Unless you see leakage or your equipment is over 30 years old,  your capacitors are probably still good. 

 

Remember that they probably have a 10 to 20 % tolerance built into the design anyway. The circuit would still operate as designed even if the capacitors drift from the stated rating. 

I recently recapped a mcintosh amplifier that was 45 years old. 

I found that the biggest benefit was eliminating power supply humm.

Changing the capacitors on the board had little audible benefit. 

 

Remember that it's heat that degrades electronic components. 

 

Was waiting to post until I had a chance to do an accurate A/B test...

About a week ago, I swapped out a capacitor in a friends speaker.

Speaker is an SB Acoustics coax in a DIY enclosure (ported - approx 13 Liter). The crossover is wired as per SB Acoustics recommendation. Quite a lovely sounding speaker.

My friend ended up with a pair of 15uf 600V M-Cap capacitors. We wanted to see what, if any difference, there was between the upgraded capacitor and the more basic 15uf 250V Solen capacitor which were used throughout the build.

The capacitor which was swapped out, was the 2nd of two in the path to the tweeter. 

Went from a "standard" audio grade cap to a high end cap. (Solen retails for about $5.00, the M-Cap about $90.00 - considerable cost difference) It should be noted that the driver itself retails for about $60.00...

Only one speaker was done, the other was left as it was originally built. We did this so next time we met up, we could A/B them in a bind test (for me...)

Listened to several amplifiers and recordings (run through preamp in mono)

One speaker had a bloated, boomy bass, mids were set back and the highs got grainy and shrill. The other, while not digging as deep in the bass, was more controlled. The mids were far more prominent and the highs were smooth, clear and details easily identifiable. What surprised us both was how the bottom end sounded so different. Don't understand how that could be happening, but it was definitely there! And I should note, after the second speaker was updated to be like the first. They sounded exactly the same.

Now, the speaker with the original crossover was by no means a bad sounding speaker. While these sonic differences were easily heard, this was about the relative differences in the speakers. The speaker with the upgraded capacitor had better control across the entire frequency band. This was a consistent finding with every amp, and this difference got smaller as the amps got better.

Now, some might prefer the sound from the original, possibly finding the other too polite. Others may not hear enough of a difference to care.

Has this convinced me that I need to replace every capacitor with high end audiophile grade capacitors? No. None of the drivers I "play with" warrant this level of component, even though there was an audible improvement. Now, if I was going waaaaay up the food chain with drivers, and I had completed a design I was absolutely thrilled with, different story. 5K invested in a well designed, built and executed DIY speaker will perform at a level reserved for much higher costing speakers.

All that to say, there was a difference. Is it worth it? Well, that's up to the listener...

 

Great post perkri.

Having experience with extensive crossover mods, (replacing caps, inductors, resistors, internal wiring and binding posts) the results can be quite profound ... Was for me anyway, and that’s all that matters.

I must say though, it’s imperative to understand what’s involved in such a project.

It’d be nice to hear the OP’s findings in thee days, weeks or months to come.