cdp soundstage


currently using a naim cd5x with a flatcap2x. while i enjoy listening the naim just doesnt present a very wide or deep soundstage in comparison to my turntable which is much wider. the comparison is immediate not something that needs to be listened to. Related equipment:RWA 30.2 amp and Blueberry extreme pre
would a different cdp or dac have more synergy with the equipment i have ?
panu21
All I can say is Lps do have an big immediate sounding soundstage.
I recorded from lp onto disc and the soundstage shrank big time.cds,compared to lps are quite compressed.I wish I could capture that lp sound on disc also.I believe some dacs,cdp,
can open the stage a little closer,but not much as far as I know.I thought if I went with a ADC to dac that I could capture that lp sound(NOT).I'm still on the hunt for cd(lp)
NIRVANA.
"I recorded from lp onto disc and the soundstage shrank big time.cds,compared to lps are quite compressed..."

That's odd since CDs have a MUCH greater signal to noise ratio. If the LP was properly recorded and transferred to CD I'll bet you couldn't distinguish between the two...

-RW-
That's odd since CDs have a MUCH greater signal to noise ratio.

As well as much greater channel separation, of course.

I recorded from lp onto disc and the soundstage shrank big time.

What was doing the A/D conversion? Quality A/D conversion is technically more challenging (and more expensive) than D/A conversion of similar sample rate and resolution, and also can require a good deal of care to get a clean analog signal into the converter.

the naim just doesnt present a very wide or deep soundstage in comparison to my turntable

Just a wild guess, but are you sure you have absolute phase correct through the cd path? If any of the components in that path invert absolute phase (meaning they invert the polarity of both channels), I'd imagine that might have some effects on perceived soundstage.

Regards,
-- Al
i have checked all the connections. everything is fine. just seems to be a totally different presentation between the cdp and the turntable. trying to get that analogue sound through the cdp and was just wondering if changing to dac and transport may get me to where i want to be
Just to make sure that what I said about absolute phase is clear, I was not referring to the connections being wrong.

Reversing the plus and minus of one channel to the speakers, for instance, would mean that RELATIVE phase is incorrect (relative between the channels), which would produce totally and obviously messed up results for all sources. That was not what I was referring to.

An ABSOLUTE phase problem would mean, for instance, that a dac or cd player internally inverts the phase of BOTH channels. The effects of that would be subtle, and not immediately obvious, but could conceivably account for the symptoms you described. Whether or not a component does that is usually not described, but you might want to do a Google search using the model number of each component in the cd path, plus the phrase "absolute phase" (with the quotes).

I have no specific knowledge to comment further on your question about transport and dac synergy or alternatives.

Hope that helps,
-- Al
I had the same naim cd5x with a flatcap2x front end for awhile
and even though I really liked the overall sound quality from the naim, soundstage size is the 1 aspect where it was lacking. My setup was in a smaller space and I got used to it. All of the music was there and proper space between the players;..in a stable soundstage that was always small & between the speakers. A power chord swap may make a small difference. I think that it is simply a characteristic of that level of Naim. Pretty sure the only way to remedy is a different cdp.
Very nice setup though.
While I prefer the tonality of vinyl over digital, a CDP has better separation than a phono cartridge. My vinyl rig had better sounding vocals and HF but my CDP was always a bit more dynamic and had a bigger and better image. I take it you are comparing the same recording on each format to come to this conclusion and not a few random recordings. My system will image HUGE.......if the recording has a huge image.

ET
"B" - if you are interested, I'll have a little get together in Jun/Feb.
Two analog setups: belt drive and vintage idler.
My own SD speakers as well.
We can do some comparison between analog and digital as well.
I can ask V.R to bring his DAC as he will be coming over with his new prototype battery/tube phono.
You can also bring your 30.2 & Juicy Music pre if you like.

Cheers
Mariusz
tks Mariusz. keep me informed. happy holidays
Same to you ........and I sure will.
End of Jan- and mid Feb. are the dates.
Will PM with definite dates.

Best
Mariusz
anyone have thoughts on thr Raysonic 128 cdp as is or with mods or the ps audio dac with cullen mods replacing my Naim cdp. both seem to be similar price range around 1500 give or take