There are bad records and bad CD's, and there are examples of both that are quite good. I have always believed that vinyl is superior just because of the way it's made......it's a real time recording of a musical performance whereas CD is is little "chops" of the performance. If you had digital ears, digital recordings would sound superior but our ears are analog. Having said that, I do have discs that sound good and records that sound bad but it's not the format that makes it so, it's the recording engineer. |
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Amen. |
My $1,200 turntable sounds better than my $1,400 CD player. The CD player has tubes in it but the turntable don't. I wonder what it all means. Fact: a vinyl record is a reproduction of a real time musical performance.
Fact: a compact disc is not a real time reproduction no matter how you slice it. |
I wondered what the hell that 12 bit record thing was about. My brainpan was flopping. |
Too late to change now.................. |
The comments about new vinyl not being on par with originals from decades ago is a fallacy. I have new vinyl by Vanessa Hernandez and Lyn Stanley that is of outstanding quality....the Lyn Stanley record is one in which she is using Frank Sinatra's 40's vintage tube microphone. I don't think you can even get it in a digital format. |
For those of us that have made our minds up, there is no debate. You say digital - I say analog. I have more CD's than records but prefer listening to records. I don’t have any "treated" CD’s nor any marinated records. However, most of them are what you might say well seasoned. |
Yeah,a decent disc costs less than twenty bucks (the last disc I bought was JJ Cale and Eric Clapton; Road to Escondito). Maybe your're getting ripped off; it wouldn't surprise me. The last record I bought costs considerably more, but it was worth it. Cheers! Pay as much as you can for that digital stuff. It will reward you in your own mind eventually. |
Professor, please explain to me how chopping up the sound and missing parts of it is the same as not doing so. I must be confused. |
I know exactly how digital works. Dynamic range and signal to noise ratio are specifications that are enhanced in the digital format. You place too much significance on specs. Trust your ears; they're not digital. |
Oh, pardon me, but I didn't address your question about a digital recording made on a digital tape being a real time representation of a musical performance. No, it is not. Being digital precludes that. You must not know what the difference between digital and analog is.....let me explain. Digital is a zero or one, on / off, either / or sort of thing. Analog captures the linear nuances that digital will never replicate. Keep on biting and byting if you wish. |
Digital is more prevalent, it's cheaper. You have it, don't you? Does that answer your question? Once again, analog is a REAL TIME REPRESENTATION OF A MUSICAL PERFORMANCE. Digital is an approximation of the same. Get it? |
You’re wrong ;ears are analog. Can you not hear the difference between a digitally generated voice and a recording of a human voice? And don't give me any of that recording or playback excuse; the difference is apparent in virtually any perception, |
Interesting articles, professor. I can follow the writer’s reasoning but none of it will convince me to forsake analog music reproduction. I am perhaps remiss in my simplistic comparisons between digital and analog; I admit to not being an expert in digital sound reproduction. I am in my mid 60’s and grew up with records. I remember when cd first came out; it made mediocre stereo systems sound "better" and it became a big hit just because of that....and the fact it was more convenient. But if you’ve been acclimated to the sound of vinyl and then have the chance to be exposed to digital, I think most of us old folks will stick with vinyl. I think my analogy of the digital generated voice versus the recorded human voice stands on its merits. I wish there was digital food and digital eyeglasses that we could compare with the analog versions but what’s the point? I can see pretty well and I’m not particularly hungry. |
tomcy, you are absolutely right; how could I be so blind.....thinking it "....is not all about you" when, in fact, tomcy, it's all about YOU. And thanks for your psychoanalysis. I'll have four digital chickens and an analog Coke. |
Ears; they say your ears never stop growing for as long as you live. Hell, look at Lyndon Johnson. But never mind that. I've noticed that several folks have disputed my assertion that ears are analog. How could they not be analog? Just consider your digital music source; it has something called a digital to analog converter. It's not extra or a frill; it is a necessity. |
Dark Vader came over tonight; we had dark chicken and listened to some rather light music in the dark. Dark prefers to listen to analog because he says the digital hurts his head. I don't mind. Dark don't matter. |
Single minded is more like it; a lot of these folks have invested considerable resources in whatever they're advocating; if they didn't advocate for what they invested in, they would be remiss or at least "short sighted" so there's a considerable factor of self affirmation in all this screed about any audio subject. It's not rocket surgery. It's "all about me." Of course, there is the possibility that someone buys something that is obviously a piece of crap and recognizes it for such, but this ventures into the realm of honesty and credibility. which is rare in any rabid beast.
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This digital versus analog issue is one best compared to believers in a particular religion. The most prevalent religions are Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Music can be analog, digital, or a live performance. Take your pick but be advised that there are very few who renounce their religion in favor of another religion. That pretty much covers it. |
Hey tommy boy, to a lot of audiophiles it IS a religion. Where have you been? I myself am an innocent bystander in all this but I'm astute enough to recognize mania (religion) when I see it. Many or even most audio nuts will stick with whatever they like no matter what. Didn't you know that? It's still a free country but I won't knock myself out over your willful agnosticism. |
