Hi Howard, I just now see your post. I don't ck in often gere, as I see few responses to answer to.
The only reason I cked this thread is to let everyone know as yet I did not get the 4 new Siemens for the 17, but will do so this week.
Howard, the 15 has both ss and tube. The tube is better sounding. I bought my 15 used last yr here, and the seller had Bugle Boy tubes, 2, in the unti. Very impressive unit.
The 17 with 4 output tubes, 2 per channel is a notch above.
Cayin has another tube player, the 50. But I do not have any sacd, so mam not interested.
I did in fact hear the Cary 202 2 yrs ago at a friends house. Ran through a Audio Research 75 with a pair of bipolar Mirage speakers.
I really was not that impressed. He has louder sound, mine is more listenable/no fatigue. The Cary had a few functional problems as well. The Cayin is built like my Jadis, a tank.
I see Jian now has included the DHL shipping in his price. Which is what I pd, $1150 for the 17.
Feel free to PM me.