Cary in bed with Stereophile?????


Lets get some comments on the true impartiality of hi fi mags in general, and the reality of high end audio. I recently auditioned the Cary integrated 300SEI, 12 W/channel. I have a Naim CD5 and Audio Physic Virgos. Certainly there was the tube "bloom", with some of the immediacy and palpability. But the bass tightness and articulation was not there. (My "reference" amp, an old 1970's Pioneer 50W/channel receiver, was clearly better in this respect) I comandeered my wife, who I would describe as a casual listener, to compare the Cary and the Pioneer. After playing two of her favorite songs on both amps, she said "this is a trick , you didnt change anything in the system". When I pressed her, and played another song, she said she could not hear any difference. The Pioneer is worth $50, the Cary $5000. Cary is rated highly by Stereophile, but they have two page ads spread all over the place ......
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I haven't listened to any of the equipment in your list but it may just be a matter of mismatch with your speakers. The Cary 300SEI is a "lowly" 12w/ch amp and the specs on your 4 ohm Audio Physic Virgos calls for 15w to 150w of power. I'd say the Cary was below the low end power recommendation for your speakers. And we all know that low power tube amps need to be carefully matched with appropriate speakers, right?

Here's a personal experience I had with the popular Conrad-Johnson Premier 11a 70w/ch tube amp.... not a low power SE design. I listed to this CJ amp 6 years ago at a dealer in CA. It sounded constrained like it had a sheet over the sound and the bass was almost missing. After that experience I told myself these audiophile people are nuts for paying so much for tube junk.

6 years later I find myself auditioning another CJ Premier 11a in Colorado in a dealer showroom. They have it driving a rather large pair of Avalon speakers, don't recall the model. Same observation on my part, the CJ tube amp sounded lifeless, slow, sloppy bass, although it did have a bit of that midrange warmth. I couldn't believe anyone would buy this junk. But this time I suspected something was not right with the dealer setup. I took the CJ tube amp home and auditioned it in my system on a pair of smallish Thiel CS 1.5 speakers. It sounds awesome! Very open and transparent, smooth, lively, good bass, and no "sheet" over the sound.

My point... System component matching is extremely important with tube amps and don't trust the "expertise" of your dealer even if they seem very knowledgable. I now own a CJ Premier 11a and couldn't be happier!