Cardas Clear Beyond Interconnects ?


Any impression, review,etc. on these new cables?

I own two Clear Beyond Power cords for the Luxman 509u integrated amp and Accuphase DP700 SACD player, Clear Reflection XLR interconnects and a double run of old (but still good) Golden Reference speaker cables biwiring my B&W 803D’s, plus an old Golden Reference Power feeding the Goldnote Dumbo AC (the power filter dedicated to the digital source), while the Purepower 3000 feeding all system receives the dedicated power line (10 meters -I write from Italy- of 3x12AWG for hospital grade UPSs cable terminated with Oyaide C279) from the electric panel.

I am planning to replace the Reflection XLR with the new Beyond, and the G.R. Power for the AC filter with a Clear Power.

More extended, neutral and dynamic but still musical interconnects, and less bright/forward power cable should re-create the same balance, but a step "beyond" ;) .

I read from the Cardas website the new Beyond should be a musical cable with increased "slam" on low frequencies, instead of the too resolving, light character of the old Clear, still the Rev.1, I never liked; maybe Beyond is a more extended Reflection than an improved Clear, who knows?!
biggy79
Has really nobody auditioned the new Clear Beyond Interconnects?
Hello Biggy  - I did my whole system in Cardas Clear Beyond changing from Purist Audio 20th Anniversary and was very happy with the change. The Purist were wonderful cables and backed by a wonderful company and true gentlemen - Jim Aud. The Cardas in MY system ....are the most true to life cable I have experienced.  I am not sure of the ; too resolving but instead I found them to be true to the source and very neutral  - which some people don't like. They are well made cable  - sonically I enjoy them  - a lot, and although not cheap - not stupidly priced for the performance you get.  
@garebear, Cardas power cables also?
.......yes the Clear Beyond 's as well. At first I was skeptical as I liked the PAD's power cords but this line of Cardas Cables is ; smooth, transparent and the music just plays. In my system.  
So you moved from warm cables like PAD 20th Anniversary to Clear Beyond and you're happy ... maybe that means Beyond Interconnects are not too resolving and still musical, like Cardas website says:

"Improving upon the spectacular performance of Clear Interconnect, Clear Beyond combines the famous Cardas musicality with a wider, taller sound stage, deeper bass and increased dynamics. Everything just gets bigger and better, as a cable carrying the name "Beyond" should."

"Clear Beyond Interconnect brings noteworthy improvements in spatial imaging, dynamics, and low frequency impact while retaining the classic Cardas musicality."

"More than anything, Clear Beyond Interconnect is musical".


Can you compare the Interconnects alone to other cables you know?


Sorry about the delay - but I am from the school of thought in that I keep all of the cables the same brand. So I have all Cardas Clear Beyond. Unfortunately it does take some time for these to really break in .... as I am noticing at about 100 hours the interconnect cables really starting to sound really good. Musical is the way I would describe them .....like you were actually listening to the preformers live.  
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Garebear

How does Clear Beyond compare to Clear or Clear Reflection?
The Cardas Clear to me in my system and my ears in my room .......I would say they sounded a lot like Nordost Valhalla in their first rendition.  The Cardas Clear Beyond take that speed, clarity and  transparency and add the realism of music......some may call it warmth, I call it more like real music. I never listened to or owned Cardas Clear Reflection.  
Garebear

would you say more musical because they are fuller sounding and richer in the midrange & bass?

I have not auditioned the PAD line of cabling. I did find Cardas too warm for  my taste. Happy Listening!
biggy79-

is there a reason for not using Accuphase gear to mate w/ your DP700?

Hello Jafant  - in regards to the Cardas you had noted, you might want to take a listen to their new iteration of cables especially the Clear and Clear Beyond's as they are very neutral and not as            '' warm '' ; a la Golden Reference as you had indicated.    

@garebear I had the same impression about old Clear interconnects: a Cardas version of the Nordost Valhalla v1 !

It would be nice for me to know if the Beyond interconnects would keep the same tonality and musical balance resulting the right cable for the actual Clear Reflection owners ...

@jafant  when I chose the integrated (I did not want separates) for my B&W 803D 8 years ago, I meant to get the best in terms of woofer handling and driving capabilities, and the Luxman 509u is second to no one in bass control, better than more expensive and "Wattier" separates.
I think AB class Luxman amps are better than Accuphase ones, because of their better speed, dynamics, neutrality, driving capabilities.
At that time, the E450 could not ever drive the B&W 803D; maybe today E470 is better, but i still prefer Luxman for amps: my dream (sadly, it will remain that) is C900u+M900u!
I would consider Accuphase only for their top class separates with big AB class power amps (out of my budget and too big for my room), for the rest I prefer Luxman.

On the other hand, there is no digital source better than an high class Accuphase SACD, no other words needed!


Hello Biggy79 - yes. To me in my system, the Clears where '' like '' Nordost Valhalla 1's ..... The Clear Beyond are a combination of both which is the musical sweet spot for me.
Garebear

Partly based on your advice, I bought a pair of Clear Beyond to go from pre to power amp. I will continue using Golden Cross from DAC to pre as my DAC lacks midrange richness. I hope that doesn't defeat the purpose of the Clear Beyond.

It should arrive soon and I'll post my findings here.
@garebear I'll tell you more ... I did prefer A LOT the Nordost Frey 2 (I could try in my system) more than Clear Rev.1 (I don't want to know how awful could be the first Clear): the Nordost was more analytical but much better balanced and entertaining. Clear was too "flat" and boring.

@mikey8811 congratulations ! If Beyond won't be right for you I will buy yours ;) (joking, hope your system will sound awesome) !
TY- biggy79

I have always wanted to demo Accuphase gear. Whom is your dealer/retailer?
Happy Listening!
@garebear , @biggy79

I've tried them out for a bit now.

In my system, the Clear Beyond interconnects have great bass, lots of midrange and low bass richness as well as bloom. However, it sounds loose and is not as focused. The highs are also slightly tipped up but I use a Cardas Golden Cross on the DAC to preamp link and that ameliorates the highs a bit. So far, there are things I like about it and other aspects not so much compared to the NBS Statements I replaced them with which are more focused but also more aggressive sounding.

I'll let them settle for a few days. I was wondering what sort of a difference you observed during the break in period.
Well hello there ..... I would not even start to comment until at least 50 hours and then again at 100 hours minimum. Then start to listen they take a loooooong time to break in due to the amount of cooper.  
@garebear

Thanks. Can you tell me what you found past 50 hours and then past 100 hours? How did the characteristics of the cable change?
@biggy79 Any chance you auditioned the Clear Beyond interconnects yet? Would love to hear your observations as I'm in a similar position. I currently have Cardas Clear Reflection balanced interconnects going from an Ayre QX-5 Twenty DAC to an Ayre AX-5 Twenty integrated, and Clear Reflection speaker cables to Aerial 7T loudspeakers. I love the musicality of the Clear Reflection, but would love a little more top-end detail, improved dynamics and faster bass, without sacrificing musicality of course. Hell, I just want it all. 😉

For what it's worth, I originally auditioned Audioquest Earth/Oak, Audience AU-24 SX, Purist Venustas, Cardas Clear Rev 1, Transparent Ultra Gen 5, Shunyata Python, and Synergistic UEF Level 3 before settling on the Clear Reflection.
dbarkovic

Describing what you want to improve.....you might try an Audioquest interconnect with silver conductors.  I am now using AQ Fire, but used AQ Niagara for a couple years also.  FWIW I had Cardas Golden Reference interconnects to compare with Niagara.  I think the AQ silver may do what you want.
I had AQ Sky silver interconnects in the past, exchanged with a pair of Golden Reference (replaced by Clear Reflection after 5 years): one of the best deals of my audiophile life.

@dbarkovic : no, unfortunately I could not audition the Beyonds yet. I think I will this fall.
I have done about 50 hours on the Clear Beyond now.

Overall, I find the highs still tipped up with some sibilance and hardness.

Hopefully, this goes away otherwise it may be too neutral for my liking.

I have not heard the Clear Reflection and am wondering if this is a trait too.
@mikey8811  I have the Clear Reflection XLR ICs between the DAC and Preamp and between the Preamp and Amplifier.

These have been in-system for close to a year and I HAVE NOT HAD any issues with them regarding those you list (specifically: highs tipped with sibilance and hardness).

Hope this helps.
I never experienced hardness and sibilance with Clear Reflection, too.

Maybe it is a burn-on issue, however consider to change DAC if you know yours sounds etched: good cables can only highlight problems.

When my system had problems I had hard and fatiguing sound even with the warmer Golden Reference; the fact you use Golden Cross makes me think ...

Now that perfect electric current powers my gear and a reference SACD player like my Accu DP700 is the source, no sibilance passes through neutral and transparent integrated amplifier and speakers, even with more "revealing" cables; rather, Clear sounded in my system even softer in the highs than Golden Reference (but also lacked in musicality, "body" and entertainment) !
@biggy79 I think you are right. My DAC has had a firmware upgrade which has enhanced midrange richness. This has counteracted the tipped up highs with the Clear Beyond I was hearing before. They are pretty good now.

@david_ten I am thinking of replacing the Golden Cross from DAC to preamp with a Clear Reflection.

Hopefully that gives me the same midrange and full bodied sound that the Golden Cross has but with more openness.

I think the Golden Cross is hard to beat in a solid state system, I preferred them to Golden Reference and they will remain one of my all time favourite interconnects.
@mikey8811 :

Saw your post on the Audience thread, so cycled back to this one.

For me, the Clear Reflections offered the right balance for my needs and system. There are surely more resolving ICs and surely warmer ICs...but for my system and needs, they strike the right balance. And they are 'relatively' well priced, especially compared to some of the other dealer based alternatives. I think Cardas' description and positioning of these cables is pretty spot on.

I don't know your system components, but I wouldn't be surprised if they achieve what you are looking for: great "mid-range with full bodied sound and with more openness" across frequencies. 

I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions once you have them in your system.
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@pennsy, care to share which other brands have a similar sound to Cardas at more competitive prices?
Yes pennsy I would like to know ! Thank you in advance !  What's with the ; !!!! ?  
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... just one.....the internet is loaded with a bunch of BS ....everyone is an expert....everyone knows what they are talking about.....  YUK
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Stringreen  - geeeezzz I always thought that you were the self proclaimed expert here. Some people do have some good advice here.....like everything else in life, take the advice and then go see for yourself if it works for you in your system. That has been pretty consistent.    
biggy79-
I had asked whom is your dealer/retailer?
Happy Listening!