Orpheus.
While I do not question your logic that still did not answer my question of what or who defines a "good CD"
Are we defining from a personal viewpoint or a provenance of recording viewpoint?
Which is where I was going with opinion.
Your opinion and my opinion could be polar opposite on that count and yet both could be equally correct dependent on the criteria of said " good CD". |
I guess it depends on your definition of a "good CD"?
What is the recording DNA of said CD to qualify?
Everyone is going to have a differing opinion and that is just about where this thread stands right now. Difference of opinions only. |
The Pioneer rt701/707 were very well built units. 40lb well built!
Much more compact and less agricultural looking than some other units.
They could only handle 7 inch reels but playing at 7.5ips they are more than capable of delivering a stellar performance.
Best of all as they were plentiful when new, still lots of great examples around and prices are fair for a good working serviced unit, ($500 to $700).
Parts still readily available for most normal wear items.
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To better illustrate Bretts excellent point.
I have a very nice copy of closer to home by Grand Funk on vinyl and same on r2r at 7.5ips.
My tt playback is no slouch but even on pioneer rt701 the reel is more satisfying in terms of depth and spatial imaging.
It just sounds more "real" Gor want of any better description.
Just depends how deep your wallet is on buying pre recorded reels. A lot out there but some crazy prices for real popular stuff like Zep or Floyd.
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Chakster
You are certainly correct on cost.
But there are some great rare finds out there... At a significant cost.
I prefer to record my own from hires streaming. |
Chak.
you really need to check out Ebay for reel-to-reel tapes there’s more than you think out there |
Although you have to admit some of the machines are nearly "steampunk" in appearance!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
Prof.
While I may agree that the physical beauty of many r2r machines can be lacking and the media is most definitely not sexy.
But there is absolutely something almost hypnotic about watching those reels spin at high speed and seeing one tape spool get smaller while the other grows.
And I do not need any eyes in all honesty, just my ears...... |
Brett
You could be right but I cannot afford Aqualung in any reel format!
Lol
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All I have to say right now is ... Ahhh!
Listening to Closer to Home by Grand Funk on 7.5ips pre recorded tape and it is really well recorded.
If buying pre recorded tapes I tend to only buy 7.5ips ones.
Very nice indeed.
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Just think how you could fill an additional rack up.
Sony Elcaset.
Sony DAT machine.
Sony Minidisc.
Teac open cassette.
Pioneer 8 track.
The mind boggles at the living museum of obsolete technology/media you could create.
Yes that lot makes regular cassette and r2r seem almost mundane in comparison. |
Lmao.
Nice one Glupson.
Now excuse me while I go read up on Elcaset some more ..... |
Glupson.
Don’t forget the DAT machines, lots of those being sold on eBay too.
Unlike the Elcaset, DAT media is plentiful and fairly affordable.
Ah shoot, I forgot they all need to be " put out of their misery".
Better empty my eBay watch lists now.
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So what can we listen to on R2R?
Right now Quicksilver Messenger Service at 7.5ips. Genuine pre recorded media.
Very " analog" , absolutely no mistaking this for any digital source at all |
Dang it Wolf!
You made me snort my coke....…..
Now calm down you lot!
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I think the Swiss are very loyal and faithfull to their home town hero Revox.
Yes for a relatively small country the following is huge. |
Best guess?
Tens of thousands worldwide.
A lot of European countries are very into r2r.
Revox still has huge following in Switzerland and I have found most of fair prices parts and machines are actually for sale by Swiss eBay members.
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Dohanian.
Plenty of good rock issues right up to late 70,s although they can get pretty s pendy for desirable issues.
And of course you can record whatever you like yourself. I record a lot of Qobuz hires streams at 7.5ips.
Sounds amazing.
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Talking of Elcaset, there are still a surprising number of machines for sale on eBay.
However tape prices are as bad if not worse than R2R.
I guess it also has its proponents. |
Really Larry?
Your post is as inane as the original OP.
Can you expound on why, in your opinion of course, cassette should be " put out of its misery"?
I never realized it was in pain and suffering tbh but hey I am all ears ( sic).
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@florida71.
I too have an rt701 amongst others, excellent deck at 7.5ips, built like a proverbial tank. Just a one year model although just about everything is common with the rt707 fortunately.
I assume from handle you are in Florida.
Likewise but sure as heck cannot find any affordable media around my area.
Seems everyone around here is well aware of the r2r resurgence and is priced accordingly. |
If there is one thing this thread has accomplished so far is to show that a fair number of members have the polar opposite view of the OP.
Plenty here have revealed that they have actually moved INTO the r2r world with many stating purchased used r2r machines at fair prices in full working order.
It's not mainstream and never will be and is not for those without patience or time.
There will be repairs or tune ups required along the way.
But the sonic rewards are well worth it imho.
I just wish the market for used original recorded r2r music was not quite so "buoyant" as it is. Routine actual selling prices of $50 plus for popular titles is not fun at all. |
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Tut tut!
That's just not nice or even remotely accurate!
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Cassettes on the way back in?'
Never realised they , unlike Elvis, had ever left the building!
Obviously someone forgot to inform me of that.......
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Vinny.
I will grant you that SOME parts for SOME machines especially the more obscure brands and models can be hard to find and yes likely some cannot be repaired economicaly at this stage.
However there is a great aftermarket support for a lot of machines, check out the Swiss ads on eBay for Revox units and parts, heck I bought a complete overhauled Revox b77 hs machine from a Swiss seller shipped to the USA for less than 1k all in.
And yes finding a GOOD r2r tech is a little more challenging but not impossible but be prepared for a wait as obviously the good ones are very busy.
Dead as is no interest or support is not truly the case, a more niche market for sure but still very much alive and kicking albeit to a special type of enthusiast, it is certainly not plug and play like CD.
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As I stated many moons ago Vinny, I do NOT rpt NOT call myself an " audiophile".
Never have and never will simply because what truly constitutes an " audiophile" is still an area of huge debate.
I enjoy music reproduction and have many forms of media to that end.
Fortunately I do NOT have a working 8 track or any tapes for it.
Or Elcaset or DAT tape or minidisc.
Do have and regularly use;
Vinyl, cassette, R2R, CD, SACD, BluRay, Streaming.
All have their plus and minus aspects.
If you do not care for R2R yourself that is just peachy but you should avoid denigrating those who do.
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Yes Geoff.
Very wrong indeed.
Stand in the corner for 8 hours.... |
+10 @elizabeth
I am first in line for the caning though.....
Got an old 8 track so I am not worthy!
@2pysop.
Have you checked eBay of late for 8 track tapes and machines for sale. I guess someone forgot to tell them it was dead ....lol |
Welcome to the club , Sleepwalker!
You will enjoy! |
????
You mean not everybody has just a blow up doll?
How quaint.
What is a wife?
Kind of like a life?
Do not have one of those either.
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Vinny.
I hate to disillusion you but the 3 head Nak cassettes while good cannot hold a candle to a 7.5 or 15ips recording made on decent tape on even a middle ground R2R machine.
Recordings made straight of Qobuz hires onto 15ips on my Revox absolutely kill the same recordings made on my Nak.
Shoot, even 7.5ips recordings made on my Pioneer ct701 better the Nak ... And don't get me wrong the Nak does make great recordings.
It's just that R2R is better.
So it maybe a minority media but it is far from dead and dying.
Just check out prices of r2r tapes on eBay, while I do not like some of the high prices it is far from dead! |
