Can anyone answer this? What is a blue skinned cable??


I want to learn something new. If you can explain this, I would be grateful. If someone could provide a link to a white paper, a picture, or some measurements of this particular type of cable, that would be great.

FROM A PREVIOUS POST:

Who is Geoff Kait? Isn’t he the person who gave @teo_audio this idea? :

DIRECTLY FROM HIS POST

Let’s talk about a claim by a person who used to be here. Geoff Kait.

That a blue skinned cable can potentially sound different than a red one. Stated more as a blanket kind of fact, by Geoff, possibly phrased thus so people might try to get the point, is the guess.

The science of it is solid and is on the books and covers it in totality. Where, when all science and rigor in testing is dealt with, that this comment from him (which he probably picked up elsewhere) holds actual real water, in all scientific rigor possible.

Me:
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I am not automatically opposed to viewpoints. I will hear you out and do my best to understand. Hit me with your best shot.....fire away!!
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Perhaps a pm to teo_audio will get you closer to your answer.
Personally, I would rather forget Geoff Kait.  However, if you are a fan, he resides at the Audio Asylum. 
The one you reference is a strange twisted soul who devoted a big share of his life to mockery and derision of audiophiles. I picked up on this real fast when he tried to confuse me on some very basic facts of science and electricity. He specializes in word salad, using techno-jargon to pretend to say something when in reality it is gibberish. I repeatedly challenged him and anyone else to find even so much as a single post that was genuinely helpful and informative. One would think that somewhere among 22k posts a helpful comment would slip through the cracks even if by accident. The reason for the challenge was simply that once I knew for certain what he was I stopped reading his posts, the vast majority anyway, and was curious if maybe somewhere along the line he slipped up, or changed, or something. No takers. No such post of his exists.

If it is any consolation you have been duped by one of the best. He has fooled even more into believing his humor is good-natured. Let me assure you it is not. In fact I will offer you another challenge. Forget genuinely helpful and informative. Try and find me a post that is genuinely good-natured humor, a joke that does not come at someone else's expense, that is just plain funny.  

He made jokes about things that were serious, for example to make everyone think springs are a joke- while at the same time selling springs! Go check out his site, machina dynamica dotcom which for some reason whenever I would link to it mods would pull the post. Probably his request. He has removed some of the worst ripoff stuff. He used to charge $1k to improve your system with a phone call. Also had stickers you can put on CDs. Not vibration control. Not light. Morphic fields. No kidding. Got a whole chapter of word salad on Morphic Fields. 

I could go on and on but the more I do the more I agree with stereo5, I would just rather forget him.
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@ stereo5 - Thanks for confirming.

@ millercarbon - Thank you for taking time to write all of that. By doing so, I think you're making on positive difference on the audiogon forum. If someone reads what you wrote, they will know to stay away from that snake oil.

@djones51 - I checked out the website and the level of ignorance is just astounding. I read the bit about CDs and why they sound thin, metallic etc. - however, that is because they were mastered or recorded improperly. It has nothing to do with the physical medium being corrupted; unless your CDs are damaged. In that case, they would not play properly - and skip every few seconds.

Solution: If you burn CDs, look into Archival grade CD-Rs and try your best to take care of them.

"The CD laser light scattering occurs when the laser strikes the nano-scale physical pits that represent part of the data on the CD. The nano-scale physical pits create a diffraction grating."

* Umm, no. CDs work with something called land and pit - these are grooves on the CD that represent a 1 or a 0. Obviously what he's talking about doesn't exist...because Sony and Philips would have documented this and corrected it many years ago.

The Brilliant Pebbles are "brilliant" if he can get anyone to believe they work.

"All sizes of Brilliant Pebbles function primarily as resonance control devices, but in some locations may act primarily as an RFI/EMI absorber."

* How's that? Damping can help with resonance control. For instance, getting the right speaker stands or placing a power amp on a platform. In heavy amplifiers or CD players, the base is very solid and robust. This would control vibration by keeping it to a minimum. Something external is not going to solve this kind of problem.

"The Clever Little Clock"

* Nope. Master Clocks in DACs exist to re-clock the and ensure the integrity of the signal. I think I'll talk about how they compare to high-end CD players in another post.

@oldhvymec - Perhaps Geoff's next invention will be a room control device that emits violet waves. These waves should lay an ideal foundation for controlling room tone - even in the worst environments!

Cheers.
If you burn CDs just use gold disks for audio.
Outsoie of demoing a CDT system , I can't think of any reason why.
"The one you reference is a strange twisted soul who devoted a big share of his life to mockery and derision of audiophiles"
I am surprised that you weren't struck by lightning before you finished typing.
@tony1954


Brilliantly said!! 😆 lol

Well, he's honest about that guy. There's no sugar coating it. 

With all of Geoff's education (as listed on his website) noobs to electronics in general may be inclined to believe him.
geoffkaits rating on Audiogon:

99.8% positive feedback.
1220 positives
2 neutral
0 negative
Also, way to bash a guy and his products here who can’t defend himself.
"The one you reference is a strange twisted soul who devoted a big share of his life to mockery and derision of audiophiles"
I am surprised that you weren't struck by lightning before you finished typing.
I thought it was the opening sentence of his autobiography.
"The one you reference is a strange twisted soul who devoted a big share of his life to mockery and derision of audiophiles"
I am surprised that you weren’t struck by lightning before you finished typing.
"I thought it was the opening sentence of his autobiography."
- Holy smokes this is rich. Maybe the most decadent and unapologetic thing I’ve read on a forum. I mean it’s brutal...sick...awesome in other words.

The only thing that might compare is the best expression of satire...whatever that may be!

I do believe the insight I received about Geoff from the members who posted here. Thanks to them, others can also be well-informed.
Wow. I just looked at his website. Pebbles in the corners and blue dots on the walls? What a charlatan!
A charlatan, or a genius or both?  Can one blame him for taking advantage of an easy market?
His biggest scam was Morphic Fields. See if you can follow this "logic". Information experts "fields", all kinds of information. So what is music? Information! Having your music in the room is distorting your music in the room. Hey I didn’t make it up, I’m just reporting here. You can reduce the distortion by storing your music in another room. Which is inconvenient. So therefore, logically, the best solution is to buy his Morphic Field blocking stickers, use them to cover up your CD labels, problem solved. I am NOT making this up! He probably still sells the stickers.

What he finally did stop selling was his $400, or $1400, whatever it was, phone call. You call him, give him your credit card info, and then by the power of his Morphic Fields he would make your system sound better- while you were on the phone!

Its one thing when people get so mad with hate they twist things around until they make a good person sound bad. Quite another when all you have to do is look at what he actually was doing.

And you want to know something really twisted? Some of the guys here thought he was just great, and even now are still here defending him.

GK is now under deep cover as a CIA operative in a foreign land.
The guy sounds like a real nut....I feel bad for those that bought any of his crap. People make too much of this hobby or interest or whatever it is. Really, all you have to do is place quality components into a reasonable room. Set them up carefully, especially speakers and turntables, turn them on and play music. It's not, and should not be that difficult. 
Not sure?  I always thought his "Teleportation Tweek" to be his swan song  :-)
Sounds like he accomplished his mission to be noticed. 
mastering92,

You are new around here. Many things mentioned about geoffkait may be true, but there is unspoken truth to it, too.

The longer I follow Audiogon without geoffkait, the better and less insane geoffkait appears to be. Most of the time, he could actually put a sentence together, make a joke even about himself, and he virtually never ever stepped into a political non-sense that permeates these fora. No bitter "that country is evil" posts, no "us vs. them", etc. In a strange way, and when not pinned with his back to the wall, he was more of a gentleman than many that remained.

I could not see him threatening physical harm to a member and his family, or challenging another member to meet for a fight.

As far as Teleportation Tweak, blue cables, and Morphic Fields go, are they that much different than orange, blue, or whatever other color fuses debated here ad nauseam? Are those stickers he was selling that much less believable than rubber bands from parsley bunches that millercarbon uses on his cables? Was his $400, or $1400 as millercarbon said, phone call to improve the sound of your system really that much different from phone calls to a speaker manufacturer after which you feel you just bought the best speakers ever without ever hearing them? To the tune of much more than $1400. And so on...

Have you ever heard of magical properties of fO.q tape under the speakers?
glupson, frankly no....I've not heard nor experienced the fO.q tape....and I'd suppose 3M would only hint at the sonic wonders within and without.

But the majority of my ic's are Blue....a (un)lucky happenstance, perhaps.
And they seem friendly, so I shan't complain....

GK seemed many things to most...foil, fail, f'ker, fool, freak, punning fatalist, profound and profane.

Yet, in all that, missed by most...overall.

If any here slipped in shower and went mute...would you raise the same eyebrow?

(Sorry, too late for 4/1....) ;)




I would rather forget Geoff Kait.  However, if you are a fan, he resides at the Audio Asylum.
You're all writing an awful lot about nothing at all.
Why bother?
I bought the cleaver little clock from Geoff many years ago (I just searched my Audiogon record and it says 2008) with money back guarantee. I have no idea why and how, and in fact can't care less, but surely it made the noticeable difference in my listening to music - more pleasurable. So I kept it. Unexplainable scientifically or whatever yet, but I trust my ears, and to the naysayers who may want to criticize me one thing I am absolutely sure is that I know for whose pleasure I listen to music. It is still in my system by the way and it is going nowhere.
I would say that mr carbon's opinions are just as perverse as me kait's, just in a different way. I remember before he showed up here, sunny days.
Even if only half of Geoffkait’s stories were true he is a very interesting and knowledgeable person. When he would spar with someone it was only for the moment, no grudges retained, because he really had no personal, psychological need for really putting anyone down, it was always just another fun day on A’gon..

Without hesitation I think that A’gon was more interesting before he left. As glupson wrote above, "In a strange way, and when not pinned with his back to the wall, he was more of a gentleman than many that remained."

You would never find him writing long and boring paragraphs with the only intent being to satisfy the need to draw attention to himself, as at least one poster here makes a habit of doing.  
Even if only half of Geoffkait’s stories were true he is a very interesting and knowledgeable person. When he would spar with someone it was only for the moment, no grudges retained, because he really had no personal, psychological need for really putting anyone down, it was always just another fun day on A’gon..

Without hesitation I think that A’gon was more interesting before he left. As glupson wrote above, "In a strange way, and when not pinned with his back to the wall, he was more of a gentleman than many that remained."
I think that what is said here by jetter and glupson says all that is needed to be said about someone who is no more here to speak for himself....

I concur with their wise judgements....


Geoffkait was like the smart, witty guy that would show up and tweak Chuck’s nipples or ruffle his hair (so to speak) and that’s why MC couldn’t stand him. And the irony of MC’s posts...next level. Self awareness isn’t his strongest attribute. Haha. 

I’ve got it...an explanation - why blue skinned cables matter!:

einstein’s photoelectric effect. and more. different colored skins with different light exposure creates a change in the resistive effects or the dielectric effects. different dyes have different effects on different plastics dielectric considerations, thus the capacitive effect of the dielectric is different according to the light load and uv content, the uv sensitivity of the dye and the level of dye, and so on. we hear via transients and micro transient peaks, we don’t hear anything else. just that part of the signal. it is subtle, but it is real and humans can hear it, depending on the severity of the situation and the sensitivity of the given individual ear.. hint. Many dyes are uv sensitive. I worked in a coatings factory and spent time in the lab designing coatings, for Goo Systems. [filtered]

- I will not pass judgement for now. Instead, I will let everyone else take a shot at it.

@glupson - I am aware. I have never encountered him on these forums before, so I don’t have an opinion of him to share. With regards to your side-by-side comparisons, let’s just say they caught my attention.


"As far as Teleportation Tweak, blue cables, and Morphic Fields go, are they that much different than orange, blue, or whatever other color fuses debated here ad nauseam?"

*** Well no, not really. But you need to buy the correct fuses for the amp in question. Buying the wrong fuses because they look cool may [likely] cause damage to the amp.

"Are those stickers he was selling that much less believable than rubber bands from parsley bunches that millercarbon uses on his cables?"

*** Strange that you mention this. Well, it should not have any effect (I suppose the original intent was to lower resistance of electrons by squeezing the copper). Of course, I cannot validate this and it’s not a common practice based on what I know...but what do I know?! lol

Was his $400, or $1400 as millercarbon said, phone call to improve the sound of your system really that much different from phone calls to a speaker manufacturer after which you feel you just bought the best speakers ever without ever hearing them? To the tune of much more than $1400. And so on...

***This one really had me saying "whaaat?!" His phone call was the equivalent of a scammer overseas...who calls you, gets you to go into some scam site...and once they have access to your computer they fix a problem that never existed. They charge hundreds or even thousands of dollars to perform a service that literally solves nothing. In other words, these human weeds/turds prey on the elderly and the uniformed; Those who are not tech savvy. People in this hobby who are just beginners may fall victim to Geoff’s style of scams...by him specifically or others.

When you call a manufacturer to ask questions, it’s usually technical support or the sales team. I’ve done this countless times (for non-audio related gear as well). It didn’t cost me a single penny. I did not lose anything - as a matter of fact, I gained a bit of knowledge about something I was unsure about. If you bought speakers or other audio gear without trying it first, that was your personal decision. Such gear is not always accessible...unlike laptops you can try or test at the store.

Have you ever heard of magical properties of fO.q tape under the speakers? - nope.

@Samuel03 – Really? That sounds cool.


Hopefully someone can put a rest to whether or not Geoff Kait was a misunderstood genius, or a total nutcase. I’m not so sure. I also kind of wonder if there is any proof of his extensive academic background; as listed on his website. lol
"Today physicists understand electrons don’t flow at all..."

"Next, Synergistic Quantum Tunnels the transformer’s primary wind in the direction of electron flow..."

So, which one is it? They contradict themselves on their site.
"Next we treat the fuse with a proprietary conditioning process followed by 1,000,000 volts of electricity in a process we call Quantum Tunneling that affects how electricity travels along the fuse..."
All quotes direct from their website. How is that ’word salad’ any different than geoffkaits? How many of you bashing machinadynamica products own Synergistic products, or from a comparable company? Audiophile fuses? Expensive power cords? Interconnects? Schumann Resonators? Crystals? Contact enhancers? fO.q tape? Cable lifters?
I could go on and on. You bash his products as pseudoscience, yet you swear by products and tweaks that are not backed by a shred of scientific validation. The same folks who constantly point out that if you have not tried a product yourself, you have no right to opine as to its efficacy. Yet here you are doing it.
Hypocrites.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have chocolate bunny ears that require nibbling.


asvjerry,

"GK seemed many things to most...foil, fail, f'ker, fool, freak, punning fatalist, profound and profane."

Is there any significance in geoffkait's apparent predilection for F and P personality traits?
mastering92,

"His phone call was the equivalent of a scammer overseas...who calls you, gets you to go into some scam site..."


I cannot know for the fact, but it would be a safe bet that geoffkait did not call people around to entice them to get scammed. In fact, he rarely mentioned his products here in some way that could be considered promotional. He kept his business side and his obnoxious opponent side separate. Many here cannot keep their love of fuses, displeasure with local government, ideas of how some foreign country operates, and rum-drinking listening sessions separate.

Nobody has a problem with calling a manufacturer to ask a question, but check Tekton Moabs thread for comedic approach to exaggeration in that direction. There is another thread with, actually, much more impressive hints at what you called scam, but I will leave that out of this for unexpected reasons.

Come to think of it, why is anyone so vocal about geoffkait’s phone calls that fix things? It is 2021. Age of Zoom meetings, doctor’s appointments and exams over the computer camera, virtual everything. Even millercarbon decides on how some high-end equipment will sound by listening to it on youtube via his computer speakers. geoffkait might have been a bit ahead of his, and our, time when he started it.

To make sure, I may be the person who directly argued with geoffkait the most over the last two years or so and his were the only posts (two or three of them) that I have ever reported for deletion. Still, compared to many who are left...

It is bizarre that I am the one "defending" him, but I dislike when those more senseless than him are painting just the half of the picture.


Synergistic products, or from a comparable company? Audiophile fuses? Expensive power cords? Interconnects? Schumann Resonators? Crystals? Contact enhancers? fO.q tape? Cable lifters?
I don't own any of these things nor anything that could be considered psuedoscience .  All I did was point the OP to the website where he or she might gain a small bit of info. I personally don't consider geoffkait any different than others that shill BS. If he can make a buck off idiots who buy his junk more power to him.
mastering92,

As far as fO. q tape goes, I have no experience, but here are few of the benefits...


millercarbon 02-29-2020 11:00am

A good record clamp is hard to find. Still happy with mine after all these years. It screws down with a simple brass thread insert. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367

Thanks to your post about FoQ tape I got some and taped around the outer edge of the clamp and also on the center washer, so records are clamped between the tape at the spindle and outer label area. The improvement in detail clarity and presence was remarkable for such a small amount of tape. Thanks for the idea!



millercarbon 03-29-2021 7:10pm

Yeah, and paying for all the wasted time running down dead end rabbit holes.

Probably the most important thing to keep in mind is the part of the signal that gives us our sense of exactly what instrument it is and exactly where it is coming from is exceedingly subtle, fine, and low in level. So low in level that even very fine vibrations are enough to blur and lose it. This is why things like fO.q tape work so well. This tape only damps micro-vibrations, but does this so well a very small amount produces a very noticeable improvement in midrange presence and detail.

The same happens when ringing is eliminated by putting the speaker on springs. Townshend Podiums are the best springs because they also eliminate tonal coloration caused by resonant behavior. But however it is done springs are the best at this by far, simply because they are the best at uncoupling the speaker from the floor.

djones51,

My post was not directed at you, but at those whose hypocrisy bleeds through their posts. Now if you'll excuse me, those Peeps are not going eat themselves.
@thecarpathian,
Well said!
For a “high end” site in particular people  are setting a very low bar.
@glupson


"Come to think of it, why is anyone so vocal about geoffkait’s phone calls that fix things? It is 2021. Age of Zoom meetings, doctor’s appointments and exams over the computer camera, virtual everything."

I don’t doubt the mediums of communication. But I do doubt the person providing these phone calls to make systems sound better. Even with great advice, you can’t expect people to make the recommended changes. And...because he was selling stuff; he was probably endorsing his own products during these phone calls.

Now not to be mean, but I’d like to pass some judgements of my own about Geoff Kait and his site. When you visit the site, you can find his educational background - which I doubt is real..but again, what do I know?

Upon reading descriptions of the products he offers, I’m immediately struck with the realization that he is twisting words (word salad) to make himself sound credible. If his tweaks, products, and phone calls actually worked, folks on here would not be complaining about him. Instead, he would have been universally celebrated to this day...recommended to all as the guy who can solve the most challenging problems in audio.

Such a helpful and resourceful specialist would only get .flac from haters who are jealous of his money, ability to solve problems, or even the wit to formulate complex arguments that hold water.

I still believe there is a lot for me to learn. That’s why I joined in the first place. I also enjoy helping people in general - so when a poster thanks me for a response, that kind of makes my day. 😅😀

Could you please help with explaining "blue skinned cables?" It seems that on the surface you may have been a close follower of Geoff Kait. Perhaps you know something the rest of us don’t.
mastering92,

I cannot help you with blue cables although I would recommend them if they match your decor. I barely paid attention to geoffkait's product claims and have no idea why anyone would order that phone call, if anyone actually ever has. I also do not see those claims being much more outrageous than claims of some magical paint on wall outlet covers, etc. Putting a magnet in the fuse box on the wall freezes orange juice in the refrigerator? Dare you question that.

Even if his audio knowledge were better than any, it would not guarantee him being praised here. In fact, it would irritate people who would then post all the negative things about him. Notice millercarbon's approach to geoffkait. geoffkait was easily the most vocal proponent of springs under the equipment and yet he is still ridiculed even about that by millercarbon. Who managed to jump on the springs wagon and make it his mantra.

That all is not to say that geoffkait was not irritating, but he was that on much higher level than many of the remaining ones.

Just wait and keep your mind open.
I think many of us are turned off by those who intentionally take advantage of the gullible, no matter their financial resources. Maybe this geoffkait character started with exactly that mindset, but after years of exposure to this community, he had a change of heart.
"I think many of us are turned off by those who intentionally take advantage of the gullible, no matter their financial resources."

That is for sure. Still, I do not understand why one (claimed) NASA propulsion designer making shaky statements would be idolized while other (claimed) NASA propulsion expert making shaky statements would be ridiculed. Maybe the trigger for scrutiny should be (claimed) NASA.
 geoffkait might have been a bit ahead of his, and our, time
Well, as we both know, he stated many times he was from the future...
I remember one time he went on and on about him designing some interstellar spaceship engine. I asked him if that was how he planned to go home.
Remember I had him pegged from post one. Very first one I could tell he was a poser. Second post I could smell something much more disturbing. So before replying I did a search. This is the internet. The info is there. Within a few minutes I had found he was not what he claims and better, found someone who had actually met him. Ran into him at a show. Nothing recent, this was posted back when it happened. Said the impression he had, the guy gets a kick out of making fun of audiophiles and how far they will go for great sound. 

Did you get that? He wasn't cracking jokes. Anyone thought he was just cracking jokes, the joke is on YOU! The people he hung out with most of all. You know who you are. Go back and read your exchanges with him. They have not aged well, let me tell you. He always was making fun of you- and you can be sure he held you in contempt. Read em and see.

millercarbon,

Remember that some people could actually counter geoffkait. No matter how hard you try, six months after his departure he is obviously still a hamburger and....well, someone has to be just an angry french fry, too.
The phone "tweak" was $60 as I recall, and I'm really good with numbers (suck @ Alpha though).

DeKay
I saw a flyer today for "virtual Easter egg hunt". Apparently, anything can be done from the distance these days.