there is a new review of the 851N in HIFI WORLD
I think you need to define what better means. I may think something is better, but you may hate it. Also, you don't list an amp. It would be helpful to know what it is.
I'm assuming that your goal is to get better 2 channel sound for music. If that's the case, the SSP 800 is most likely a bottleneck. At the very least, you should try to bypass it and listen using equipment you already have. I'm not too familiar with the Olive, but if it has a volume control of its own, plug it directly into your amp. If you can do this, I think its an experiment you'll find well worth your time.
I own a Classe CA-2200 amp. My goal is to get better dynamics out of digital music. The sound from Olive and Sonos is pretty dull and flat on most music. I may try some hi-res (DSD) downloads in near future. But for now, it's pretty much Spotify and Amazon.
Do you own a Azur or any other digital music player?
Thank you for your feedback.
I do fair amount of streaming off Spotify and Amazon and got lot of music stored on my FAT32 USB drive.Keep in mind that FAT32 is not a robust file system. For example, although it is unlikely you could lose all of the data on the drive if power were to drop out at the wrong instant while the drive is in use, and cause the file table to be corrupted.
Which makes it doubly important to have your music files well backed up, preferably on two additional drives, and with one of them preferably stored at a different location.
Also, if whatever the drive is connected to can work with a more robust file system, such as NTFS which can be used by Windows or an Ext3 or Ext4 file system which can be used by Linux, I would consider reformatting the drive to the more robust file system and then restoring the data to it from backups.
I own a Classe CA-2200 amp. My goal is to get better dynamics out of digital music. The sound from Olive and Sonos is pretty dull and flat on most music. I may try some hi-res (DSD) downloads in near future. But for now, it's pretty much Spotify and Amazon."
That's not a format issue, its an analog one. The analog section of the dac is what you need to look at for dynamics. A good example of what I'm talking about, is to compare a couple of CD players that I have. One is an Arcam 33. Its a nice, easy to listen to player, but the dynamics are just OK. My Wadia 302, on the other hand, has really good dynamics. Almost on par with vinyl.
I wouldn't recommend a Wadia for you because the company has issues. But I would definitely recommend Ayre. They make some of the most dynamic digital products you can get. Also, try your system without the preamp like I recommended in my last post. Having the right preamp in your system, will also have a big effect on dynamics.
Follow up to my thread... I decided to keep Azur 851N after direct comparison with Classe CP-800. The Azur was hooked up to SSP-800 (balance input) and SSP-800 / CP-800 daisy chained in digital bypass mode.
After a weekend of listening, I could not discern any differences, both DAC's produced music with absolute clarity and poise. I used Tidal HIFI streaming services with AirPlay.
IMHO, Azur851N is a groundbreaking component, given its asking price. If you're in market for a DAC/Network player with Apple AirPlay, you owe it to yourself to check out this amazing unit. I am keeping mine and returning CP-800 to my dealer.
I'm thinking of getting cambridge azur 851n vs oppo 105d for audio streaming and hooked it to my audio research reference 5se and ARC ds450 amp.
Do guys see or experience any issues with these set up? As far as i know the 851n has a built in DAC so no need to get a separate dac right?
any inputs/alternative please
This is an old question but I added an Cambridge Audio 851N to my system about a month ago and what an improvement. I replaced my Jolida Glass Fx DAC with the 851n. I use it as a preamp with my Jolida vacuum tube amp in bypass mode. The results are astounding. I have a few terabytes of digital music including many hi-res files [DSD-DSF] that playback via 851n the 24-192 +playback is amazing. Note the blue tooth dongle is optional 100.00 I declined it sofar no problem I use WiFi. I thought for the 1799.00 cost it should be included.
While it should be included, Bluetooth audio is so compromised I'm fine without it. The BEST it can do is 16/44.1. It can play back hi-res straight off my computer without much fuss and DSF/DSD playback straight from USB flash drives, etc. Using the digital preamp mode is fantastic, finally brought my system up to date!
I have an 851N. And am completely happy with it. I also use it as a preamp-- I had a Nuforce mcp 18a but could not tell the difference. I have Bel Canto 500m mono blocks with Dali Mentor 6 speakers. Also use a Marantz SA 8004 as cd transport. Couldn't be happier with the 851N as streamer (FAT 32 USB). Sound is excellent, whether as steamer, DAC, or Spotify. 320 bit internet radio also very good sounding. I had a Marantz streamer but returned it because of a buggy user interface. The Cambridge interface has been flawless.
I have not tried. To my knowledge there has not been a firmware upgrade for Tidal, but of course there may be other ways to get it. I keep thinking Spotify will add a high Rez service, and haven't really explored Tidal or other services. Been buying high Rez downloads now and then, but quite happy with red book and streaming off of my hard drive. I use Spotify mostly to check out new things or carch up on bands I missed along the way.
You can get Tidal through Apple air play. The dual Analog devises 1955 dacs
are very music ,with the Swiss Anagram Technologies receiver top shelf
and everything upsampled 24-368 truly puts noise way out of the audio band.
100s of digital audio radio stations wifi which sounds better then blue tooth.
your hard drive plugged in sounds great very good detail and natural warmth
not bright sounding others like benchmark 3 a bit better leading edge but does not have the musicality in depth of image .the supplies to the Mytech Brooklyn dac .theysound good but if you want a bit morgrip and body without being syrupy warm Analog devises has been a class leading designer in the U.S
for years. One more thing almost 18 lbs, big internal Torroid transformer ,and power supply for digital. the Sony was good but older technology
it does have a built in hard drive . He external drive is easy to remove ,and replace with solid state drive or any Nas drives.
Only via AirPlay or with any computer attached.
For those who enjoy the convenience of Bluetooth, you can play media straight from a WiFi connected smart phone or tablet, which @audioman58 pointed out above.
It may be off-topic, but I enjoy my 851N so much so that I recommended the CXR-120 receiver to a colleague. The setup was difficult and the user interface is nothing like the 851N’s. I had recommended it to another friend but revoked my recommendation based on this experience. This happened before he got around to purchasing it (phew!).
I have had the 851N for about 18 months and it's also my DAC. I was very disappointed for a while because Cambridge told me, fairly recently, they had no plans for Tidal integration. I have been using a HEOS Link for Tidal. Then I saw this on the Cambridge website :
I have been thinking hard about getting a Bluesound Node 2 until I saw this. The 851N should be a better solution with it's large power supply and integrated design. Hope it comes soon and hope the app gets a major upgrade.