Calling all room treatment type specialists...


I bought one of those great Maxell Tape commercial posters...remember the guy sitting in his chair with the speakers seemingly blowing in his face.  Well, I don't want to put up a standard glass/plastic frame, because I think it would look a little cheesy in my room, AND b/c I don't want a hard reflective surface in the general area where the picture would. 

I would like to consider whether that poster can be adhered to a material that in turn is the top of a sound absorption panel.  I've been making my own absorbers for years with Roxul, wood framing, and the covering material of my choice (easily passes air through the fabric).  But what if I try to adhere that great poster to the face of the panel?  My limited understanding says it will reflect higher frequencies, and allow lower frequencies to pass through.  Perfect.

Any thoughts on whether the poster will be more reflective than absorptive? And what would you use to adhere the poster.  Spray on adhesive, maybe? 

Thanks.
 
educeus
That picture is a classic. Truly a thousand words in one picture. The audio industry needs more iconic images like that one.

IMO get it professionally framed, keep it out of the sun, display it prominently, and find something else to provide room treatments. 

Signed,
Envious
GIK Accoustic panels will print the poster on a panel for you. :)

Best,


Erik
Treatements of the room sometimes actually are not related at all to room acoustics or even to RFI/EMI. Room acoustics and RFI/EMI have both been covered up the yin yang like forever, especially room acoustics. What hasn't been covered much at all is Morphic Fieids and how to get rid of the darn things. Of the products I sell related to room treatments only a smattering actually deal with room acoustics. The rest deal with what feng shui generally refresh to as "negative energy." Flying Saucers for Windows may or may not deal with RFI/EMI, I'm still collating. But Blue Meanies, Green Meanies, Quantum Temple Bell and Morphic Message Labels categorically DON'T fit into the room acoustics category or the RFI/EMI category.

geoff kait
machina dynamica
no goats no glory

So...Geoffkait...I have to admit I have no idea what you're talking about.  That doesn't mean much, b/c I barely understand much going on around me anyway.  Are you being funny, or is there something else to tuning a room than taming runaway frequencies, isolating our electronics from vibrations, and proper cord placement?  Is this all feng shui stuff? I'm generally familiar with the idea, but affecting sound quality???...that seems a stretch. But then, I would have thought fancy cables and isolation were voodoo until I experienced the effects myself. Always good to keep an open mind...at least for a while.
educeus OP
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08-21-2016 3:01pm
So...Geoffkait...I have to admit I have no idea what you’re talking about. That doesn’t mean much, b/c I barely understand much going on around me anyway. Are you being funny, or is there something else to tuning a room than taming runaway frequencies, isolating our electronics from vibrations, and proper cord placement? Is this all feng shui stuff? I’m generally familiar with the idea, but affecting sound quality???...that seems a stretch. But then, I would have thought fancy cables and isolation were voodoo until I experienced the effects myself. Always good to keep an open mind...at least for a while.

OK, fair enough. Lol Here are some intermediate level room treatments that might make more sense that have been controversial to varying degrees. Shakti Hallographs, Shun Mook Mpingo Discs, Marigo dots for windows and walls, crystals for room corners, walls and windows, Golden Sound Acoustic Discs for room corners, SteinMusic Harmonizer high frequency air molecule accelerator, Ultra Tweeters, Sugar Cubes and other tiny bowl acoustic resonators,

Geoff, don't you have a product which would improve the sonic characteristics of his fantastic poster? If not, get on it.
Not every inch of wallspace needs to be treated. There are such things as negative space and reflective areas in the room.
See if there is a workable spot to hang that awesome poster and get it framed.

If you physically try to spray-mount the poster to a panel, you run the risk of ruining the paper.
timrhu
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08-21-2016 7:49pm
Geoff, don’t you have a product which would improve the sonic characteristics of his fantastic poster? If not, get on it.

Oh, now I get it. You guys are actually serious about this. In that case all the OP needs to do is cut the poster into the appropriate size squares and paste the squares onto the squares of the Skyline diffuser and place the Skyline diffuser between the speakers. Thus, the poster will appear as a flat surface to the listener AND act as a diffuser. Problem solved!

https://reverb.com/item/2562834-skyline-diffusers-natural-wood-2ft-x-2ft?_aid=pla&pla=1&gcli...
geoffkait-  That's a great, creative and artistic idea(KUDOS)!  
Sounds like the practical voices have it!  Just put up the damned poster and enjoy it!  Though geoffkait's diffuser idea has me thinking.  Too bad there's a big TV between my PSB Imagine T2s...I might have tried it just for kicks!

Thanks for the feedback.
educeus OP
10 posts
08-22-2016 11:11am
Though geoffkait's diffuser idea has me thinking. Too bad there's a big TV between my PSB Imagine T2s...

That sounds about right.

;-)

At a show, I heard a couple of nice sounding setups that used the GIK Acoustic panels.  The print transfers to the fabric of the panels looked pretty good.  Their panels are not that expensive.

I believe other companies that make acoustic treatments offer the same kind of service, such as Audimute. 

I looked into the GIK Acoustic panel idea.  I might do it, but the problem at this point is that they need to start with a .tif or other digitized image.  I have the paper poster, but so far I have not found a digitized version of adequate resolution....just small images online.
Talk to your local printing and sign store. They may have a scanner big enough, or e able to point you to a photographer who could do it justice.
But in case this point wasn’t made before, 1 single panel won’t do much in a room, unless it’s right next to your head.

As part of a system of 6-10 panels, each does a part of the work. So as part of the entire room treatment, you may want to just keep the poster, and may be use museum quality plexiglass to cover it. It will be lighter than glass, look 99% as good and be a little less reflective. Compensate for it’s reflections by adding panels and diffusion elsewhere.

Art panels make the most sense when you are getting a series of them made. Like, if you had a set of movie posters printed, then you could set up 4-6 art panels and they'd look great.

Best,


Erik
+1 Erik. Would work better from a stylistic aspect to have a series of printed panels, rather than only one panel.
As I stated earlier, the walls do need some areas of reflection and diffusion, otherwise the room will be over-damped. The poster may work between acoustic panels.
So, I went the easy route.  After a quick study online, I headed down to my local art supply and bought a 3x5 foot panel of 1/2 inch black foam board ($12) and a can of spray adhesive (appropriate for photo paper $7).  Laid everything out on a flat area.  Rolled the poster up on a 2 inch round sleeve.  Sprayed the whole board and let it set for about a minute.  Started unrolling and used a plastic spreader knife (4 inches wide) and went to work unrolling and pushing out the bubbles.  I trimmed the excess board away and hung it on my wall with 2-sided tape.  Perfect!?  Well, not quite.  My wife was the first to notice that the direction of the apparent sound on the photo was opposite the sound coming from my speakers.  Could have put it on the opposite wall and fixed that, but a pesky thermostat complicated that idea.  Oh well.  But it looks great, and I'll get to enjoy it tonight when my buddy comes over for a listening session.  May have to turn it up a little extra loud tonight to get the full effect!

Thanks for all the input. 
 i know you went a different route but
x2 with eric send a high quality pic to gik and have them print it on a panel and i highly suggest room treatment ,it has helped me immensly
It takes some skill working with spray-mount. Glad it worked out for you.
(Keep the humidity out of the room).