Cables ... no longer opinion


PS Audio has already did the research. The answers are available forevermore.
The testing is sound, and not flawed. Their test results find exactly the same results my cable manufacturer found and preached. Josh from Downsize Audio Cables also found two strips of foils, stacked on top of each other and secured together made the best sounding speaker cables. I've tried all kinds of hyper expensive cables to dethrone the Downsize Audio foils ... NOTHING comes close at any price.
      Downsize used a genuine teflon backed adhesive tape, double sided too, and custom rolled, extra thin foil of 6N purity. BUT he told me a person can get 90% of the same sound quality, using off the shelf inductor foils and standard thin packing tape. Try it and save tens of thousands of dollars.
https://www.psaudio.com/copper/article/the-sound-of-speaker-cables-an-analysis/
flaxxer

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Take my word for it, you have not heard truly 3D holographic imaging if you are not using a cable with this geometry.



I would make the generalized statement that anyone who makes a generalized statement like this is prone to hyperbole and couples that with a profound yet fundamental misunderstanding of imaging. Alas, they have a platform.

Maybe his cables are good. Maybe they are not. These are like the old Goertz cables, what from the 80's? Good idea, but watch the capacitance. Many a hobbyist has made these with double sided tape.

The article, which is by Max, not PS Audio. Frankly I am embarrassed for the author. I feel bad that he obviously spent so much time on a topic he does not understand in order to reach conclusions that are wrong. I assume his expertise is mechanical. I do like his platforms. Best to leave the electrical to those who understand it.
flaxxer,

Thank you seriously for the dose of humor. It is quite obvious that Max has forgotten a lot about engineering. Some would say, evident by his paper, that he has forgotten everything about electrical engineering. Given Max is from the UK, I expect he involvement with Nasa is non existent, but selling a screw to Nasa does not make you a rocket scientist. I would expect there are many on this forum, that have far more experience and knowledge than Max in many areas of audio, likely not limited to electrical engineering where his weakness is substantial.


The Goertz cables were based on the conductors from their Alpha Core inductors is my understanding and they are not a penny thick. If they were, that would be a benefit, though difficult to handle. They introduced the concept of low characteristic impedance cables 30 years before Max stumbled on this idea. Max even makes the same mistakes in his claims of impedance they do. In this case, two wrongs, do not make a right.

I found this on a website. It matches almost very closely the specifications I have found for the Townsend cables. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery:

The configuration places the heavy, solid conductors only 0.003 inches apart. The cables are 0.4 or 0.8 inches wide, and only 0.04 inches thick. As thin as a penny.


I will assume you have no personal relationship with this company. There is no point getting riled up. I am not making up my statements. They are simple, but true.

See a picture of the Isolda cable at this link:  https://www.the-ear.net/review-hardware/townshend-audio-isolda-edct-speaker-cable-speaker-cable
Simple wrap around one conductor, loosely in the sheath.  I will point out one item.  The wires on both ends are about 25mm apart. If the goal was an impedance matched cables, the two ends will cause a failure. A similar failure would occur inside the speaker, typically wired willy-nilly.  The result may be effective, the reason appears beyond Max's understanding.
Two ribbons placed together is obviously the best for SPEAKER cables. It's an immediate consequence of Maxwell's Equations. Just as two small conductors separated by a significant distance is the best for line level. That's assuming equal dielectric to take dielectric absorption out of the picture.

Doesn't require an experiment. It's immediate from the physics. terry91,461 posts04-03-2021 10:07pmYou can think of it as (1) speakers must have low inductance and (2) line level must have low capacitance. The cables and the equipment terminations form LR and RC filters respectively. But it doesn't matter much if lengths are short.



While I don't disagree much with your conclusions about inductance and capacitance mainly due to source and load impedance, I don't see where Maxwell enters the equation, pun intended.