When I wanted some new IC's I bought 5 pairs of AQ Silver Extremes for $90 each from HCM. List price was $400 each! They are superbly made and sounding! Why spend more? Don't fall for reviews touting wire! As for PC's I only bought one - a $90 Pangea from Audio Advisor. Needed it for my Brown BEL 1001 amp. I just wanted to try something more upscale than a Home Depot $6 PC. After listening I don't hear any difference. If I spent 10, 20, 30 ... 100X would I hear a difference? I really doubt it! After all, the sound of an electronic component starts with what comes out of its power supply. Not with what connects it to the wall AC! Heresy for all the wire maniacs on this forum!
@filipedine - FYI..
I have no issue with Cardas but I believe their cables are better suited to Tube amps.
Someone I met had Cardas top of the line speaker cables and they FRIED his $10,000 Ayre power amp because they drove the amp into an oscillating state.
A great many solid state amps will suffer this problem
This does NOT happen with all-tube amps
For great speaker cables take a look at...
For power and interconnect cables I would take a look at Nordost
For a lessor known brand that makes some great cables look at KLE Innovations - even their entry level stuff is better than many other commercial brands TOTL
Regards - Steve
jasonbourne5279 posts02-11-2021 6:01amIn 40+ years of buying, selling and listening to audio gear I have never heard a "bad" sounding IC. That includes the cheap $3 Ch*nese red/black IC’s.
Your gonna save a lot of money.
As long as it sounds good to you, that is ALL that matters.
Some of your buddies might think different, as they clear out and leave the joint.
Me, I just put plug in my ears if it’s bad and read lips.. Some folks and their gear don’t give a hoot... ME I’m picky.. BUT I have a solution no matter the situation.. Enjoy!! :-)
The oscillating amp issue is because of the network box. Clearly a WRONG choice and if they would have looked into it they would have know. A few of the older cable drove class ds and valve amps into oscillation.
ARC and VTL both had problems, behind cable mismatch.
WillieWonka - I would caution you to be a little more responsible about repeating (mis)information like you did about Cardas. It is actually impossible for speaker cables to cause an amplifier to go into oscillation, no matter what the brand. They can cause a dead short occasionally, particularly if hooked up with + and - touching, but not causing an amp to oscillate. That would be something on the INPUT side of the amplifier, not the output side.
Actually Cardas and Ayre have long had a very good working relationship at the company level and the Cardas cables are one of the top choices for Ayre equipment.
@jwpstayman - I am simply relating to my experience with Naim amps
This NAIM forum thread states the problem quite clearly
- I believe Mike B. works for NAIM
Mike-B1Jun ’19 anon64018693:
ALSO as stated above - the acquaintance that experienced the oscillation issue when he damaged his Ayre amp using the TOTL (high capacitance) CARDAS speaker cables. He also damaged a loaner Gryphon amp immediately after using the same cables.
Once the unit was repaired he used lower capacitance speaker cables without any issues.
BTW - The Cardas cables were also tested for short circuit and none were found
Coincidence? I do not believe so !
Mis-information? I do not believe so !
But if people want to try this for themselves - Good Luck, but don’t say you weren’t warned !
I do concede that not ALL Cardas speaker cables have sufficient capacitance to cause oscillation issues
But this issue IS NOT a problem for NAIM amps only.
Regards - Steve
All of the above theory aside, I have a Simaudio 700i (version 1), which I greatly enjoy. I REALLY like Transparent Audio Generation 5 cables throughout the system. I currently have Premium PCs to my 700i and dac, but have a Reference PC on its way to see how it sounds with the 700i. I have Ultra speakers cables and balanced interconnects to my dac. I have Super rca cables to my phono pre-amp. I upgraded each cable a time or two to get where I am now, and I am very happy with the combination.
I’ve looked at the 700i before I bought my combo (740P + 760A) and the 700i is a killer of an integrated amp and I also use a 280D with MiND.
My current IC are Mogami 2534 and on PC I have a bespoke UPOCC 5N silver copper cad.
I know and understand what copper and silver bring to the table, but a cable is not just this 2 parameters.. shielding, geometry etc... etc... all have impact on the result you get.
O don’t have an idea defined regarding the house sound of the Transprant cables. Will put them in my list of cables to check.
If you where to rate the shielding of the transparent cables How would you rate them ?
thanks for your input.
jwpstayman327 posts02-11-2021 1:22pm"...It is actually impossible for speaker cables to cause an amplifier to go into oscillation, no matter what the brand..."
Naim does NOT want owners of their power amps to use high-capacitance speaker cables because it can cause instability to the point of oscillation which can be destructive to their amps and to the tweeters in speakers. Naim does not use any inductors or "snubber" networks on their amps which makes them vulnerable to highly reactive loads.
Some years ago, Threshold amps were self-destructing when high-capacitance Polk Cobra cables were used. Nelson Pass, who was with Threshold at the time, worked with Matthew Polk and they both found that "snubber" networks on the amp outputs solved the problem. Polk received a patent for his efforts.