That is really weird. Are you using the ceramic ones?
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In my experience, moving cables can affect the performance until they re-settle.
You are joking right??? How exactly does it effect performance from an engineering perspective.. What re-settles?? If you lift them up higher does the bass diminish even more??
If I throw the cables in the washer will they sound CLEANER after doing so??
I don't have any experience with Cable Elevators but have long had Suspenders from Rightway Audio that preceded them. Apart from the rubber bottom pad both seem to share the basic shape and use of ceramics. Quite contrary to what has been said about using multiple Elevators on cables, with the Suspenders using more than one hurts the sound. I elevate mine on 15 inch tall 18k volt insulators so that I can use the sag of the cables and only use one per speaker wire.
There is absolutely no loss of either base or treble and the sound stage becomes much better resolved and real. I have tried several very expensive speaker and interconnect wire that say they need not be suspended. They have all been greatly improved by suspending them. When possible, I use one per interconnect even if they are in contact with nothing but air.
I don't mean to stir the pot here, but this is one of the most absurd threads I've seen. You guys can't be serious. And if you are...
Has anyone tried using test tones and an SPL meter to confirm the bass output, or lack there of? I'm not one of these measurement, DBT, etc. guys but I just can't wrap my head around this one.
I can see the benefit of keeping power cords up and away from other cables like Tholt was alluding to (but I don't think he was actually implying), as I had issues in the past with power cords getting too close to interconnects and causing interference.
@ Kbarkamian - point taken. It is absurd to elevate cables in our quest for the nth degree of refinement; however, not unlike spending $400 for 3 footers, or using things like little myrtlewood blocks, or cd mats, or maple cutting boards, or...
It's all absurd. But I can hear differences. Once you accept you're an audiophile, and except just one 'absurd' thing as actually working, you're all in whether you like it or not. Try it and see, absurdity aside.
BTW my question still stands
I have my SCs and PCs in my system elevated either with Myrtlewood blocks that raise the cords approx 3 inches above the ground or I've just tied the cords in such a fashion that they are off the ground entirely by more than a ft. It is an ugly mess but they are off the ground. Now I never had any loss in bass response but then my system is not as nice as yours.
FWIW I did lose some bass boomminess when I changed out my subwoofer isolation platform. I have a Velodyne subwoofer that is facing downwards and I was using an Auralex SubDude that raised my subwoofer 2.5" from the ground. I changed it out for limestone tiles that now have the sub raised 4.5"-5" above the ground.
Good luck in tracking down the issue.
Maybe my 'tone' or choice of words came across harsher than intended. One of the downfalls of reading text vs seeing and hearing someone speak. I think it's stupid to tell people what they can and can't hear.
I've tried a lot of 'absurd' things too. Some changed the sound (better and worse), some didn't. I tried hockey pucks and some Ikea wooden X-shaped book ends (a 6 Moons guy wrote about the bookends) as cable elevators. There was no difference to my ears. All of the tweaks I've used were either things I already had at home (like the book ends, butcher blocks) or things I could return for a full refund.
I just can't wrap my head around how elevating cables and/or moving them and letting them settle can effect the sound. Unless you're getting them away from each other or something that causes interference, of course.
Tholt, there is very little that I haven't tried from cardboard, wooden sticks, glass blocks, strings from the rack, 18 Kv isolators with the cables hanging down in between, acrylic pieces, etc. Most have a limited effect, some a substantial bad effect, and a few a limited beneficial effect. As I said, I would stick with ceramics, such as cups, soap dishes, etc. If you go to my system page, you will see that the 18Kv isolators don't look very good, especially when I had to tape Suspenders on top of them as they didn't sound good. They are heavy, however, and stay put.
I ordered the ESD risers. $40 for 10 (b-stock. hopefully they don't look like they came from the bottom of a dumpster) to see if they're better than the current wood blocks I'm using.
I have hardwood floors -- cable risers don't seem to make a huge impact in my system. Curiously, putting the wood blocks underneath speaker cables (Zu) sounds worse than when they lay on the floor.
I've been using cable elevators for several years and don't find they harm the sound in any way. I don't doubt the claims that some people may be having negative experiences, I just can't understand how a very small total surface area of an inert material, in contact with cables, can cause such a profound loss of bass as described ?
Gbart, no doubt were the surface area miniscule, such as the edge of a dime, the dampening results would be less. But it is static electricity that most concerns me. I would not pretend to understand what the interplay is between static electricity and vibration dampening. I only know what I have experienced. I am happy for you that you haven't faced this problem.
I used to use cable elevators. I tried wood, glass, and finally carbon fiber. All to no avail, no nirvana. Then I found the answer - lawn gnomes! Space approx. 1' or so apart, they elevate the speaker cables migh higher and more securely than those flimsy cable elevators. And it's so convenient; you can get them at your neighborhood home repair center.
Well, initial reaction after a bunch of swapping sessions (...somehow, that doesn't sound right) leads me to conclude that the my lame pine wood blocks win over the ESD foam risers. My observations follow. This is based on power cord elevation only. I briefly tried the risers under speaker cables, but actually didn't like it. For some reason, no matter what I've tried, my sc like laying on the floor. I have maple hardwood floors on a raised foundation.
1. I have a delicate 'glare' problem. I probably need to treat the room more, and/or adjust my speakers, but I've recently JUST (I mean barely) cured this glare issue at certain frequencies that I've been dealing with for close to a year. The ESD's made the glare more pronounced. The wood smoothed it out. That right there is pretty much enough to go with the wood, even if the wood almost smoothed over the highs too much (which it doesn't).
2. There was a difference between the ESD's right-side-up or upside-down, where the cable was resting on the 'bottom'. I actually preferred the latter. The former seemed to soften the highs and muddy the sound a bit.
3. This one is a little weird. i've also been dealing with a balance issue (...I know -- I need to adjust my speakers. Probably this weekend). The sound pulls slightly to the left, so I adjust for that with the Balance control. The ESD's actually exacerbated the pull. I have no idea how power cord elevators would do that. And conversely, the wood brought things back in line. huh?
So, I'll probably hang onto the isolators because they were $40 shipped; not even worth sending back. I may try them under everything once my speakers are adjusted. I'd be surprised if everything suddenly 'opened up' with the risers in the new configuration vs. my observations here. But since BALANCE was actually affected, who the hell knows? This hobby drives me crazy.
Not 'avoiding' ceramics per se, I wanted to try a low cost alternative that was specifically made as cable risers as an experiment. The ESD's are from cableisolators.com and were recommended to me by Ryan Tew, whom I believe is the owner.
Maybe I'm just not a believer enough to invest $100 or more on risers. My original post was really that i was surprised that the wood risers actually affected the sound at all, but I'm not sure I'm inclined to spend anymore time on what i still consider a minor tweak. If I had carpet, this may be a different story.
How much metal is in your floor? Nails, cement, pipes? I personally poo-poo the whole thing, but would allow for the possibility that there could be some value if your cables were resting on a floor with lots of metal or another reactive material. Who's to say? Twenty five years ago they said CDs were the shiz and that vinyl was dead. Maybe in another 25 years, cable elevators will as common sense as washing your hands to prevent colds.