I did some searches and did not see anyone claiming to have the DAC+. Saw one positive review from a site of which I am unfamiliar. I prefer reviews where there is listening and testing so perhaps we will have to hope for Stereophile or HiFi News to get one but that will probably take some time.
I have a DAC+ on backorder with MusicDirect so hopefully any bugs will be exterminated before I get mine. I am also hoping for more details on the circuit changes.
I have the Brooklyn, and it is my favorite < $5k DAC so far.
The only glitches I have found is that, rarely, switching to 96/24 from 44/16 it doesn't do that right, but this may be due to my streaming software. You will hear it start to distort, and get very sibilant.
Lastly, play with the digital filters. I have disabled MQA so I could choose other digital filters I like better. You should listen too.
Based on the lack of responses to my query, nobody here apparently has the new version. Reviews of both lead me to believe the DAC3 is a bit better than the original Brooklyn. Of course many of us actually want MQA and the Benchmarks do not do MQA.
My expectation is that the new Brooklyn DAC+ will equal or better the DAC3 in non MQA quality. They did quite a bit of work on the new model.
I think it is safe to say you will be happy with either DAC. The Benchmark DAC 3 is glitch free on switching formats and syncs within 6 msec which is practically instantaneous.
Advantages of DAC3 will be for intersample overs which exist on the majority of pop rock redbook CD or files. Benchmark designed extra circuitry to handle this problem and remains the ONLY DAC to address this problem in nearly all pop rock digital music. I think this explains why it sounds so smooth like vinyl yet with more detail.
The problem is widespread and even affects audiphile quality CD like Steely Dan Gaslighting Abbie with hundreds of overs. All other DACs will clip (square wave at digital saturation)and distort hundreds of times on every track you play.
Thanks for the reply but I was not the one asking about the DAC3. As I said I want MQA (I currently use an Explorer2 for that) and the DAC3 does not have it. I did read Benchmark's reply in Stereophile about the intersample overs. I had not heard of it and find it interesting. I am pretty much avoiding Redbook pop/rock these days as the LPs are usually not as compressed.
Again, I am interested if anyone has compared the new Brooklyn DAC+ to the older model or it's competition. I have one on order and want to know what to expect.
Hope you have a good eve, Robert PS: Since this is not Twitter, I am not @robob. And I am not that on Twitter either:-)
I think you will be delighted with the DAC+ it has the ESS 9028 chip and offers all the filter options that come with the chip. Benchmark also bypassed the filters on this chip in order to achieve a more transparent sound but this gives the user less flexibilty (no filter choices)
I understand your confusion about the "@" syntax but this is a convention that Audiogon uses too. Typing @ when you're replying to another responder (instead of the OP) in the thread pops up a list of everyone in the current thread. Selecting one of them (or simply typing out their handle) allows Audiogon to alert them that someone posted a response directed at them.
Please follow up when you get the DAC+. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
"I understand your confusion about the "@" syntax but this is a
convention that Audiogon uses too. Typing @ when you're replying to
another responder (instead of the OP) in the thread pops up a list of
everyone in the current thread. Selecting one of them (or simply typing
out their handle) allows Audiogon to alert them that someone posted a
response directed at them."
Thanks for that, I never knew it. I get really annoyed at folks doing the @ thing all over the Inet.
I will report on the DAC+. I am working at a possible workaround for sending full resolution DSD out of my Oppo 105 so I can compare it to the DAC+. Unlike current convention I will also swap cables between the Parsec I ordered for it and the Cardas Neutral Reference that are on my JC3+. Both of those are XLR and I will also try some Hero RCA's. My Hero's are the older ones with the WBTs.
Apologies for the @ comment and thanks for your comments. I am really looking forward to the DAC+. I imagine I will stay with the apodizing filter but I will audition the others. Lack of filter selection may hurt the DAC3 sales.
Preliminary listen shows more extended and cleaner/more detailed high end and cleaner bass along with more detail top to bottom. Not sure I knew I could still hear that much on top. But don't be thinking it's bright, it is not. Not nasty or analytical sounding.
Interestingly it may be a small amount less full in the mids than the OPPO 105 but it's early. This on 16/44.1 fed via toslink from the OPPO, including OPPO's TIDAL app. Output from DAC+ via Parsec XLRs to Classe CP-500, etc.
One of you pm'ed me asking for more thoughts on the DAC+.
I have now listened to MQA files and streams and SACD's converted to PCM by the OPPO 105 as well as more 16/44.1 material. As I somewhat alluded to, the real eye opener is how good it is with 16/44.1 sources. I am an analog guy primarily and have not been a fan of CD except in the beginning when I was impressed by it's clarity compared to most analog of the time. As I listened more I realized 16/44.1 was not enough bits to capture all the overtones and sustain we are accustomed to hearing with most analog sources.
Listening to a 16/44.1 stream from TIDAL as I type this, the electric Jazz guitar sounds nice and full and textural. Texture and high frequency detail are the two most noticeable improvements over other DACs I have had. The last time I heard 16/44.1 this good was in a MUCH higher priced system with a MUCH higher priced DAC. And I am not sure that presentation was as good in the mids as the DAC+. When a stick or mallet hits a drum you hear not only the hit but the reverberation around the hit. Clarity is there as well, such as delineation of voices in harmony. Also more sense of the space or air is retrieved compared to what I am used to with low resolution sources.
Of course higher resolution audio is better, more analog like, more air, pretty much more everything that is good. MQA is wonderful on most encoded recordings. As I believe JA (John Atkinson in Stereophile) said, MQA does not provide a benefit in every case but it does in most that I have heard. As I said elswhere in these forums, MQA brings one closer to the music. The old, "like lifting a veil" adage is applicable.
I hope to have time tomorrow for cable swapping and more direct comparison to the DAC in the OPPO. All my DAC+ listening so far has been over the Parsec XLRs.
My expectations were high but have been surpassed. It would be interesting to see what they could do by removing the phono section and spending the money on the analog out and an outboard power supply.
@erik_squires Hi resolution audio is still better.
@shadorne The CP-500 sounds really good and I cannot afford to replace it with something that might be better. Remember, newer is not necessarily better. Also the interface and I/O compliment are very nice as well. Who offers a tape loop? And yes, I have tried others.
@pkaram. I have not directly compared it to my Explorer2 for MQA but because the DAC+ has a better analog stage, it should be better. I have not tried the phono stage yet.
Robert, Thanks for the detailed impressions. Keep 'em coming if you don't mind posting. Like @kb54 above, I've been interested in the DAC-3 and the Brooklyn. Now that the DAC+ has come out it just makes the decision harder and the speed at which this sector is advancing leads to paralysis. I wish that I could listen to both but that's not an option for me. Also, I don't use MQA now but I'd like the flexibility if I were to switch to Tidal down the road. Dick
Robert, I think you should try your Brooklyn directly into your power amp, avoiding the CP-500! The Mytek has a nice volume control so why don’t you just give it a try? I’ll bet on the Mytek DAC for transparency, resolution and speed... We’ll see about the mid-bass..
I have many sources so using the DAC+ as a preamp will not work for me.
The CP-500 has numerous inputs, both RCA and XLR and several outputs as well. And I think I mentioned it sounds really good and has a tape loop. The control functions are above average as well.
On another subject, the MC input on the DAC+ is OK to good but I probably need to play it longer to see if it needs to break in. It’s unfairly being compared to a JC3+. So far it sounds a bit closed in and rolled off on top.
Robert - Thanks for your comments on the Brooklyn DAC+. Out of my price range right now, but, you never know...
I think your ability to clearly hear and describe the differences between the Oppo and the Brooklyn imply that your preamp is indeed revealing and clean enough for the task. I, too, have a complex system with recording devices, an equalizer (oh no!!!) and numerous sources. My McIntosh preamp is indispensable in my system. Sometimes, practical considerations have to take precedence over an incremental increase in sound quality.
I am spinning vinyl through it as I write this. It sounds surprisingly good. I am not sure what caused the constricted sound the first time I tried the MC phono input (analog input set to MC Phone) but I am not hearing it now. This the second time trying it and I warmed it up with the first two sides of a recent re-release of The Koln Concert. The piano was full bodied and Keith's moans were clearly audible.
Currently listening to my original Decca pressing of Who's Next. It sounds very good. It is an above average recording/mastering/pressing for an early 70's rock record. Unfortunatley it was not as well take care of by yours truly as some of my other LPs, but it is playable. I need to run it through the RCM. As far as negatives, doubled voices aren't as good as my JC3+ but then I would not expect that. Also, with my ear close to a speaker I am hearing some noise and a whine when the music is not playing. That could be my less than ideal cable routing. Not much else to complain about, especially for a phone section that is included in a DAC.
On the minus side, I did have an issue a week or so ago when I tried the headphone output. I was playing a non MQA source with MQA enabled and there was some kind of nastiness to the highs. I heard it a little through the speakers as well. I am not too worried about it as I believe it was some weird interaction between the non MQA source and the MQA filter. I will test further.
I too now have an equalizer. I bought the Loki from Schiit and put it in the tape monitor loop so it can be completely out of the path. I use it when background listening at low volume. Inexpensive and works well although I would like it to be parametric. Perhaps they will do a higher priced one with more controls.
I will try it sometime, but I am not sure taking the CP-500 out of the path would be any better. Since my amp is also a Classe Delta series(CA-2200) of the same vintage as the preamp they work well together.
@robob - I never looked at the Loki before. What a marvelous little device! If I did not have tone controls on my pre, I would look into this. I use a vintage Kenwood graphic/parametric EQ that is fully electronic, no noisy sliders or pots.
IIRC, though, doesn't the CP-500 have a fully adjustable paramentric EQ in the digital domain? Wouldn't that be enough?
I have been enjoying the Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ for about a month now, and it ultimately came to replace my much-loved Bel Canto DAC 3.7.
For some time now, I have been streaming MQA files from Tidal via a Bluesound Node 2 which can perform the first MQA "unfolding." I found this to provide a marked improvement in sound quality over both undecoded MQA FLAC files as well as regular 16/44.1 FLAC files. This in turn made me curious about what a full MQA DAC could do, first into the DAC 3.7's analog input, and then as a standalone DAC/Pre.
I auditioned a well broken-in demo unit of the DAC+ (which I ultimately purchased). With the DAC+ doing the full MQA decode, the sound quality was clearly improved over the Bel Canto on its own. Perhaps due to Mytek's pro audio roots, the DAC+'s fixed output voltage was too hot for the 3.7's analog input, so I had to use the Mytek's analog attenuator to cut its output voltage by -6dB (also achievable via placing jumpers inside the DAC+).
Playing Tidal files via the Node 2, the Mytek's strengths as a DAC were easily heard. It is extremely open, coherent, detailed, pure, punchy, and highly transparent, projecting a huge and well-ordered sound stage. These characteristics were also on display when streaming AIFF files from an SSD via a Bryston BDP-2 into the Mytek's AES/EBU input, though with greater weight and authority over the much more modest but still satisfying and easy to use Node 2.
It should be noted that the Bel Canto 3.7 runs its analog inputs through an ADC as volume control is only performed in the digital domain. As good as the sound quality of this setup was, I was thinking it a bit silly to go from D to A, back to D and again to A, so I ran the DAC+ directly into my amplifiers. The sonic characteristics I described above were maintained with an added dose of transparency and fine detail due to the more direct connection, although the 3.7 is no slouch to be sure.
Many people have touted the benefits of using an LPS to bypass the stock switching power supply in the DAC+.
After a few weeks of happy listening, I added an Uptone Audio JS-2 linear power supply into the mix to power the DAC+. The JS-2 brought a still lower noise floor, better dynamics and imaging, deeper bass and a richer overall tonality. Despite its cost, I believe the performance of the combo justifies the added expense.
I should also note that the provided Apple remote provides easy access to all day-to-day functions including standby/on, volume, source and display wake+mode. A recent firmware update allows the DAC+ to "remember" the volume level set for each input, fixing my only quibble with its functionality.
All in all, the Mytek DAC+ packs a great deal of performance into a tiny package. I find myself listening longer and more often.
@route-66 By itself, the Brooklyn doesn't stream from the internet so that's why you're confused about the connection. It converts the digital stream from other devices to analog (and acts as a preamp if desired). Probably the simplest setup (from a connection standpoint) is to connect your computer to the Brooklyn via USB, set the computer to send audio output to the USB device, and use any of a number of programs to stream music from the internet through the Brooklyn's DAC. However, there are numerous other devices that can be used to stream as well.
It's gonna take me some time to get up to speed with digital. I guess what I should be looking for is something called a streamer or a streaming DAC if I don't want to be using my laptop to stream music through my integrated amp.
@route-66 I understand. There CAN be lots of parts to a digital setup but I suppose that's true of analog as well (table, tonearm, cartridge, phono preamp, cables). I'm using a Logitech Touch but those are only available used anymore. Many people start with a Bluesound Node which has a built-in DAC but can also output to an external DAC like the Brooklyn. Another (more expensive) option are the Aurender models.
@djohnson54 Thanks again. Another streamer I'm looking at is the is the Auralic Altair. It seems to be what I'm looking for but I'm not going to rush into anything until I understand the digital process a little better. I'll get there...eventually.
@route-66 Yes, I had forgotten about that one. There are quite a few options at different price points and with different features. Digital audio is also a fast-moving animal so new options are appearing all the time. If you don't already know about it, https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ is a good place to learn about digital audio.
Does anyone with experience using the Brooklyn (+ or regular) have any benchmarks in terms of burn-in time, or how long you used it before the sonic character "settled down" and reached a steady state?
I was just wondering because I’m in the process of comparing it to a few other mid-high end DACs and only have two systems in which to use them at the present. The aim is to get as close as possible to a side-by-side A/B test using the Brooklyn DAC+, PS Audio Perfect Wave DSD, TEAC UD-503/NT-505 and a Sabre 9038 Pro.
I own the Brooklyn DAC+, the TEACs and the PS Audio DSD as well as a Chinese made DIY 9038 Pro unit with beefy power supplies and a solid chassis. The other option is an Oppo Sonica (also 9038) which my friend owns, and which I have auditioned previously (and opted to stay with the TEAC at the time), so the goal here is to get the right DAC into the right system and stop with the upgrades for a while, having spent well north of $15K on audio equipment in the first half of this year.
Mine was pretty much on song straight out of the box. Although as I said earlier I did let it run for a while(maybe and hour?) before listening seriously. Might have gotten a bit fuller in the mids after 20 hours or so, I don't recall for sure. I am still very pleased with it. Almost all my listening has been PCM, but I have run some DSD over PCM from a MacBook Pro running Audirvana and that sounds very good as well. I have the MacBook Pro hardwired to the Internet for TIDAL and even the 44.1 TIDA HiFi sounds good. Most TIDAL MQA is of course better.
Keep in mind it's not just the DAC chip/circuit, these days the analog section can be the deciding factor.
I am spinning vinyl through it as I write this. It sounds surprisingly good. I am not sure what caused the constricted sound the first time I tried the MC phono input (analog input set to MC Phone) but I am not hearing it now. This the second time trying it and I warmed it up with the first two sides of a recent re-release of The Koln Concert. The piano was full bodied and Keith's moans were clearly audible. ****************************
Robert: I am deciding between the Benchmark and the Mytek Brooklyn DAC+. The quality of the Mytek phono section may be the deciding factor. I have a high end vinyl rig with a Lyra Kleos MC cartridge. I have had a vintage MFA preamp in my system for a while and the Mytek may get the nod over the Benchmark if the phono stage is more than decent.
I agree with uberwaltz. As I maybe mentioned, I have a Kleos and it deserves better. I have a JC3+ and it works well with the Kleos and my Classe CP500 preamp.
On the other hand, as a temporary solution the phono section in the DAC+ would be fine. Also the Benchmark will not do MQA.
BTW, I may start a thread on thus but let me interject here that most folks are buying too low on the cartridge spectrum. The cartridge has to change mechanical motion into electrical signals which is difficult to do properly. Assuming a compatible arm, one should at least be at the Delos level. Also, understand the current Lyras are very different from the old Helikon/Titan line. Still detailed but full as well.
Has anyone run the Mytek Control Panel software via Wi-Fi or some other way to remote the controls? I have a Brooklyn+ that's fairly new and am trying walk thru the multitude of options. It's a pain to keep getting up and going over to my PC/server to adjust things. The display on the unit itself is tiny and not what you'd call user friendly.
OTOH, the unit is a revelation in my little system...sound wise.
I have not tried the Control Panel via WiFi, doesn't it require a USB connection to a computer? I would agree the display is too small for most of us to see from the chair.
You may want to temporarily run longer cables and put the DAC+ close to you for the initial setup. The issue in the long run becomes having to getup to change the filter. Different tracks/albums do sound better with a different filter.
Anyone paired the Brooklyn Dac+ with powered speakers yet? I ordered one to tryout with Elac Navis ARB51's, Pro-Ject TT with Blue Pt #2, and Roon from Mac mini as complete small room system. Currently using a Yamaha A-S1100 as a pre and need smaller setup.
I’m betting that will sound pretty good. You may want to consider a cartridge that is fuller in the mids.
I would look into Audirvana unless Roon does something additional that you need. Audirvana does not require a subscription and allows access to Tidal and some others. Please let us know how it sounds. Y’all take care,Robert
So.........sorry for just getting back to you all but I have been buried swapping components out :) Currently sitting with:
Elac Navis ARB51
REL T9/i with Crossover Open all the Way!
Clearaudio Concept Wood with CA MC Cartridge
Pro-Ject Streambox Ultra from iMac Mini Roon Core into the P6
As Robob said I needed a Cartridge with more mids so I went for a turntable to match, GLAD I DID!
Next step for me is to audition some linear PSU’s for the TT and Streambox, possibly a Nucleus+ at some point this spring.
For Now this sounds several levels above where I expected it too and for my smallish room it will be incremental changes to this setup heretofore. Very impressed with all of these components for under $10K including Room Treatments.