I've heard them sound quite good and at other times, they left me scratching my head. I had B&W 805s with an Arcam integrated and Nina Simone was in the living room with me singing. I'm no huge fan, but why are they always being trashed? Yes, I'll take Thiel, Proac or Vandersteen any day for my listening preferences, but when I think of classical or big scale orchestral, I think of B&W. Obviously, YMMV......