Blind Testing is Dead - Long live My Wallet testing.


Hi Everyone,

I was seeing some discussions around cables, and reading other discussions about A'gon members asking for opinions on different alternatives for hooking up a DAC, or TV sound, or whatever, and it made me think of this.


I want to tie a few things together:

  • Most technical measurements consumers read were defined by the 1970s. It is fair to describe them as stagnant.
  • The cost to benefit ratio of a lot of products can vary a great deal.
  • I hear things I can't yet measure in cables and crossover components.
  • I like measurements. 
  • Someday measurements commonly discussed among consumers will improve and better tie our values to technology.

A lot has been made about double blind testing, and a lot of readers rely on taste masters (web sites, magazines and social media) and whether in fact these taste masters can hear anything at all. Reminds me a lot of blind testing of wines, or an article I read recently about how much super rare whiskey is fake.


When deciding on a bit of kit, I could not care less about double blind testing. I care about :

  • What audible value can I perceive?
  • Is the price proportional to that value?
  • Is my money better spent on a vacation or liquor?

We should also note that I'm a bit of an iconoclast. Most consumers also care about:

  • Brand recognition
  • Style
  • Perception of modernity (is it cutting edge no one else has)
  • Perception of construction (how much does it weigh, how is it packaged)
  • Ability to create envy.
  • Price ( if it's too inexpensive, it can't be good! )


What is my message then? My message is that this is all cute, like reading about movies or books or music shows, but in the end, it's my wallet, no one else's. John Atkinson is not buying my speakers for me. I am. My hard work creates value which I use some of (sometimes too much) to buy audio related products. The more you detach yourself from brands, costs and worries about measurements the more frugal, and happier  you will be.


Best,

Erik


erik_squires

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I don’t see many, or any, agon members blindly following reviewers.


I don’t either, but I think the repeated controversies over this is notable.

As I’ve said among many issues, from amplifier design to cables, it’s a real shame to me that testing is stuck in the 1970s.

Best,
E

Hi millercarbon


I believe it, and 0.3 dB puts it in the realm of cables. So all this cable and noise filtering are just fancy tone controls.
Gang,
I got a funny pair of e-mails from someone who did not want to get into an argument, but who then immediately wanted to argue with me! < hahahahah >

I'll keep his name out of here, but I did want to make something clear:

I do think it is appropriate for a manufacturer and researcher to use double blind testing as a manufacturer at times.


I do not care what the results were, except when testing generalized principles. Like, testing around speaker dispersion and what the population at large likes. That's kind of interesting, but the point of my original post is that is irrelevant to what I may buy.  Reams of reviews, double blind tests, and analysis from the NSF are not going to change what speakers or cables I buy.

I will however use NSF ratings for buying water filters!!


Just not really appropriate for why I buy gear.


Best,

E
If they are adding 30 lbs of aluminum to a product, it’s overtly marketed as a luxury item. :)

3) High end watch collectors are usually informed buyers. High end audio buyers, not so much.

I call BS. I think it’s the same mix. Those who buy a brand for the brand and those who geek on the movements.
Can any of my readers imagine a world where we double blind test a T-shirt, or a car?

That's also part of what's going wrong here. :)


At the same time, are some cables and accessories over priced for their technical merit? Sure, but let me show you my watches. My most accurate is a Seiko solar / quartz, but it is by no means the most expensive I own.

Best,
E
Hi @ebm

Wow another very important thread!!!!

Maybe you aren’t in the right forum for you? I don’t see you making any constructive statements, I don’t see you being helpful, or appreciative of the work anyone else here does, but I seem to live rent free in your head.

Have you thought about knitting? Maybe that’s where your heart is.

Best,

E
I hope I'm not breathing new life into old arguments.


My intention was to bring a synthesis of competing ideas together into one that makes us happier, and reduces cognitive dissonance. :)