Blind Shoot-out in San Diego -- 5 CD Players


On Saturday, February 24, a few members of the San Diego, Los Angeles and Palm Springs audio communities conducted a blind shoot-out at the home of one of the members of the San Diego Music and Audio Guild. The five CD Players selected for evaluation were: 1) a Resolution Audio Opus 21 (modified by Great Northern Sound), 2) the dcs standalone player, 3) a Meridian 808 Signature, 4) a EMM Labs Signature configuration (CDSD/DCC2 combo), and 5) an APL NWO 2.5T (the 2.5T is a 2.5 featuring a redesigned tube output stage and other improvements).

The ground rules for the shoot-out specified that two randomly draw players would be compared head-to-head, and the winner would then be compared against the next randomly drawn player, until only one unit survived (the so-called King-of-the-Hill method). One of our most knowledgeable members would set up each of the two competing pairs behind a curtain, adjust for volume, etc. and would not participate in the voting. Alex Peychev was the only manufacturer present, and he agreed to express no opinion until the completion of the formal process, and he also did not participate in the voting. The five of us who did the voting did so by an immediate and simultaneous show of hands after each pairing after each selection. Two pieces of well-recorded classical music on Red Book CDs were chosen because they offered a range of instrumental and vocal sonic charactistics. And since each participant voted for each piece separately, there was a total of 10 votes up for grabs at each head-to-head audition. Finally, although we all took informal notes, there was no attempt at detailed analysis recorded -- just the raw vote tally.

And now for the results:

In pairing number 1, the dcs won handily over the modified Opus 21, 9 votes to 1.

In pairing number 2, the dcs again came out on top, this time against the Meridian 808, 9 votes to 1.

In pairing number 3, the Meitner Signature was preferred over the dcs, by a closer but consistent margin (we repeated some of the head-to-head tests at the requests of the participants). The vote was 6 to 4.

Finally, in pairing number 5, the APL 2.5T bested the Meitner, 7 votes to 3.

In the interest of configuration consistance, all these auditions involved the use of a power regenerator supplying power to each of the players and involved going through a pre-amp.

This concluded the blind portion of the shoot-out. All expressed the view that the comparisons had been fairly conducted, and that even though one of the comparisons was close, the rankings overall represented a true consensus of the group's feelings.

Thereafter, without the use blind listening, we tried certain variations at the request of various of the particiapans. These involved the Meitner and the APL units exclusively, and may be summarized as follows:

First, when the APL 2.5T was removed from the power regenerator and plugged into the wall, its performance improved significantly. (Alex attributed this to the fact that the 2.5T features a linear power supply). When the Meitner unit(which utilizes a switching power supply) was plugged into the wall, its sonics deteriorated, and so it was restored to the power regenerator.

Second, when we auditioned a limited number of SACDs, the performance on both units was even better, but the improvement on the APL was unanimously felt to be dramatic.
The group concluded we had just experienced "an SACD blowout".

The above concludes the agreed-to results on the blind shoot-out. What follows is an overview of my own personal assessment of the qualitative differences I observed in the top three performers.

First of all the dcs and the Meitner are both clearly state of the art players. That the dcs scored as well as it did in its standalone implementation is in my opinion very significant. And for those of us who have auditioned prior implementations of the Meitner in previous shoot-outs, this unit is truly at the top of its game, and although it was close, had the edge on the dcs. Both the dcs and the Meitner showed all the traits one would expect on a Class A player -- excellent tonality, imaging, soundstaging, bass extension, transparency, resolution, delineation, etc.

But from my point of view, the APL 2.5T had all of the above, plus two deminsions that I feel make it truly unique. First of all, the life-like quality of the tonality across the spectrum was spot-on on all forms of instruments and voice. An second, and more difficult to describe, I had the uncany feeling that I was in the presence of real music -- lots or "air", spatial cues, etc. that simply add up to a sense of realism that I have never experienced before. When I closed my eyes, I truly felt that I was in the room with live music. What can I say.

Obviously, I invite others of the participants to express their views on-line.

Pete

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Clarification and more:

The last SACD test Pete is talking about was; the NWO-2.5T plugged directly to the wall (no power re-generator since it sounded much better that way) while the EMM Labs Signature was plugged to the power re-generator (since its performance deteriorated direct-to-wall and was much better using the PS Audio re-generator) and both units connected direct-to-amp. The DCC2 Signature has a built in preamp which also allows for direct-to-amp connection.

Pete did not have the chance to attend the shootout which took place the next day (Sunday) at specially made dedicated "Audio Bunker" (Dedicated audio facility designed by George Cardas, built with Audio Only in mind and acoustically treated by Reeves Audio) in Hollywood, LA where we compared again the dSC, the EMM Labs Signature and the NWO-2.5T. That shootout was not blind. The same PC, IC cables and power conditioner were used for the 3 machines. The audio system consisted of Nearfield Pipedreams speakers with 18 inch separately powered subs on each side and all-tube Lamm monoblocks (not sure the model) powering the Pipedreams towers. The system used an electronic crossover. The EMM Labs Signature owner brought his own power conditioner (I believe it was passive) which he found to work best with his EMM gear. We used this power conditioner for all players under test. The EMM Labs owner, the owner of the Audio Bunker and representative of the San Diego Audio Guild were the witnesses. The levels were precisely matched using PAA3 analyzer and Pink Noise, just the way it was done in San Diego. The results of this shootout were consistent with the San Diego shootout.

Finally, we hooked the NWO-2.5 directly to the wall (without the power conditioner) which, just like in San Diego, brought further improvement in sound quality.

Last but not least, I should mention the generous hospitality of the Audio Bunker owner in Hollywood! The 16 year old Lagavulin scotch was really a special treat too! Thank you!

Disclaimer:

This is NOT advertising but the actual truth! The witnesses of the Hollywood shootout would like to remain anonymous (at least that was my understanding) so this is the reason for posting this information. Please take it for whatever it worth to you!

Regards,
Alex
Ghostrider45, level was matched precisely using Pink Noise CD and Phonic PAA3 analyzer.

Regards,
Alex
Socrates, please don't confuse the recording process with reproduction process. For example, DSD is a great format for recording/archiving, but it's a REAL challenge when it comes to reproduction (D-A conversion) because of the huge amount of in-band noise which calls for the use of FIR and Analog low -pass filters. Every filter design will sound very different.

If you theory was correct, then Ed Meitner of EMM Labs would stick to the off-the-shelf Burr-Brown DSD1700 DSD DACs for his products and will not go into the deep trouble to design his own DSD DAC/filter which, according to many audiophiles and recording engineers, is quite better performer compared to the older non-Signature model.

If you take SACD that was made 3 years ago and play it on EMM Labs non-Signature D-A combo and then on a Signature D-A combo, you will get quite different sound, apparently much better with the new Signature edition. Why is that? According to your theory many should buy non-Signature and Signature EMM DACs and keep track about when the particular SACD was recorded so they can hear the sound the way it was intended. :-) Also, many should have a Teac DVD-RA1000 too. :-)

As for your other theories, you may also have an explanation why 15 audiophiles using 4 totally different audio setups concluded the same results?

Very interesting!

Regards,
Alex
Hello Sabai,

Very good points, thank you!

The day after this shootout, we went to Hollywood and had another session at the house of a movie director. He has a dedicated “audio bunker” designed by Cardas and tuned by Rives Audio. This gentleman was the one who brought the Meridian and dCS, and since he liked dCS better, we did not try the Meridian again. The gentleman who owned the EMM Labs combo was very kind to attend as well. He brought some expensive power conditioner (sorry don’t remember the make) that he felt was the perfect match for his EMM gear. To our surprise, we got the same result as the one in San Diego.

One of the things we learned at those two shootouts was that the EMM gear sounded much better with power conditioner or re-generator, while the NWO was best when plugged direct to the wall.

Hope this helps!

Best,
Alex Peychev
www.aplhifi.com
Hello Sabai,

I agree with you! This is the very reason why when the official part of the blind shootout in San Diego was over, I specifically asked to audition the winners EMM and the NWO without the power re-generator. To everyone's surprise, the NWO sounded much better, while the EMM clearly showed its need for power conditioning. So yes, it is very important finding the right synergy if you want to extract the best from your audio system.

Best,
Alex Peychev
www.aplhifi.com
Foster_9,

I have a great respect for Ed Meitner and consider him to be one of the digital audio geniuses.

But don’t you think that trying to compare the entry level CDSA to a cost-no-object digital boutique is also condescending and dismissive?

The EMM product used for this San Diego shootout was their top-line combo CDSD/DAC6 Signature, not CDSA. Let’s try comparing apples to apples.

So yes, it does not matter what Sabai has done or will do to his CDSA, it will never be as good as EMMs own top-line cost-no-object digital either.

I cannot understand what the reason for beating a long-dead horse here is, and with an entry-level product that was not originally used for this shootout.

Best wishes,
Alex Peychev
Hello Sabai,

You can certainly hot-rod a production car to a “night and day” better performance, but do you think it will ever become a Rolls-Royce?

The NWO player used for this particular shootout sounds worse than a boombox compared to the current NWO-M so, in my opinion, it does not really matter what you have done or will do to the EMM box.

This said, I am extremely happy for you and your achievements! So now just put your favorite disc on, hit play, sit back, relax and enjoy!

:-)

Best wishes,
Alex Peychev
Hello Jafox,

I am one of those who tried a power conditioner (RS Haley) on the APL Denon player and got quite a boost in performance. I also concluded that the system sounded better with the player into a line stage (Aesthetix Callisto Sig) or the Bent Silver TVC. And then my discovery of the tube change on the player too. This was contrary to the view of Alex P.

I am very happy that you have positive results using power conditioner with the Denon! The player used for this particular shootout was the NWO-2.5T (24bit AK4396 DACs, ECC99 tube stage). It had linear power using three (3) R-Core transformers (same with the current NWO-M). The Denon also has 2 R-Cores, but there is still a switching power supply in it, so yes, It does benefit from a power conditioner just like any EMM Labs digital product does since there are no transformers inside; it is all switching powered.

To all:

I was not let in the room at the shootout and the two gentlemen behind the curtain hiding the audio gear in test did not own APL equipment, and they did not participate in the voting. These guys from San Diego are very particular about those things and for a good reason, so they wanted a real shootout, and all other members present there agreed. All players were under exact same conditions using the same power re-generator, preamp, cables, 845 monoblock amplifiers and speakers. The NWO-2.5T was sitting in its shipping box and was not even warmed-up. The contender that won against everything else was the EMM Labs CDSD/DAC6e Signature (with ceramic PCBs upgrade and the whole 9 yards). The cold 2.5T was elected a winner but not with 100% votes.

When the official shootout was over, I've asked 2 things: Plug the NWO directly to the wall bypassing the regenerator. Everyone agreed (100%) that it sounded a lot better. Then I asked to bypass the tube preamp (expensive with NOS tubes) and connect the NWO directly to the 845 amps. This brought another level of improvement that again everyone (100%) agreed on. Of course, the player was warm already too. But someone said: “wait, what if the EMM also sounds better without the power regenerator”. So, we tried but it didn’t work out in a positive direction, sorry to say. This is how we all learned how important a conditioner or regenerator is for the EMM gear.

Next day we went to a movie director's house in Hollywood. He attended the shootout in Sand Diego and brought two digital boxes (the Meridian and the dCS), so he wanted to hear the two winners (EMM and NWO) in his own listening room that he calls the Audio Bunker. It is a dedicated facility besides his house. The EMM played with an expensive conditioner that the owner thought brings best results at that time. The NWO was plugged directly to the wall. The EMM Labs combo owner was obviously also present at both shootouts. I just upgraded his NWO-4.0-SE to NWO-M today.

If someone here still doubts this shootout or the NWO player qualities in general, I will be more than happy and very delighted to arrange an NWO-M for a shootout with any other digital (cost-no-object, and with all possible upgrades done to it). Just let me know.

Lastly, Sabai, I personally think that you are not only insulting everyone present at this shootout, but also the majority of Audiophiles. Do you really think that you are the only one who knows about the benefits of dedicated power lines, cables, IEC and Signal connectors, regenerators, conditioners, etc.? Of course, I am very happy for your audio system achievements so enjoy the music!

I think I've made myself clear enough so I rest my case.

Best wishes for the New 2011 to all!

Alex Peychev