Best SUT For Van Den Hul Crimson Stradivarius cartridge


Please suggest a SUT For Van Den Hul Crimson Stradivarius cartridge.
I currently own a Ypsilon MC26L Ypsilon VPS 100 Phonostage.

However the highs are high. Since the cart is putting out 0.95 mV, it may be overdriving the phono stage as MC26L has 26 amplification ratio.

Even the lowest amplification ratio Ypsilon MC10 is recommended for carts 0.4-0.6 mV. 

I am not sure if there are SUTs with 5 amplification ratio.
kanchi647

Showing 5 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

a few months ago I knew absolutely nothing about MC, but I learned a lot here and hopping about

In round numbers, signal strength boost, I think this is correct:

+12 db = x factor 4.0
+14db = x factor 5.0
+16db = x factor 6.0
+18db = x factor 8.0
+22db = x factor 12.0

this is extremely versatile with 4 low gain settings

https://www.zestoaudio.com/andros-allasso-step-up-transformer-mc-to-mm-extremely-versatile/

they show it for $3,300.

https://upscaleaudio.com/products/zesto-audio-andros-allasso-step-up-transformer

they make several, some low gain, some +14db x factor 5.0

https://mfaudio.co.uk/mc-step-up-transformers/

ortofon, single setting, ST-M25, +12db xf 4.0

https://www.ortofon.com/media/150592/ortofon_mc_transformers_brochure.pdf

Rothwell’s have too much gain for that cartridge, but some good reading

http://www.rothwellaudioproducts.co.uk/html/mc_step-up_transformers_explai.html

Facts, Charts, and Calculators

http://www.mh-audio.nl/Calculators/StepUpTransformer.html
kanchi

lewm (and others here) know this far better than me, I’ll do my best.

you asked "what is the difference between Impedance selector and load selector?"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KONDO-AUDIO-NOTE-AN-S7P-MC-STEP-UP-TRANSFORMER-JAPAN/123923446228?hash=item...

look at all the KONDO photos, the lower controls inside, they have pre-wired 5 different resistors each side. you simply spin the front selectors (two selectors: l/r are separate), the individually selected resistor’s loads are indicated on the face.

open/40k/30k/20k/10k/normal. Perhaps lewm can translate those front load #s to a level of understanding.

note: less costly units involving various resistors might have internal parts/dip switches/resistors ... some that need to be soldered in individually after chosen, cost saving methods whereby you do the work, avoid shipping back to OEM for a change.

the KONDO’s upper front settings relate to typical cartridges listed, 6 selectable x factors, again, perhaps lewm could clarify the numbers on the face.

I do NOT understand SUT front indicators given in ohms, my FRT-4 face shows 3/10/30/100 ohm positions. WTF? I want/need to know the x factors which are only found on the spec sheet: 35.84x/20.68x/18.27x/10.55x It is inverse, lowest ohm setting = highest x factor; highest ohm setting = lowest x factor.
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You are seeking the best COMBINATION of both signal strength and impedance out of a SUT presented to your MM phono input (typically 47,000 ohm).

Signal Strength

Your .95mv signal strength is uncommon as you know, so low x factor setting is needed, most SUTs are far higher x factors.

i.e. .95mv. x factor 5.0. Signal strength 4.75 (allow for some loss) lets say 4.5mv. I agree with you, 5x is good, 10x = 9.50mv is too strong.

i.e. allaso 6x would give you 5.7mv, some loss, lets say 5.5mv for round #s. I like that too.

i.e. my cartridge .3mv using my much larger x factor 20.68 = 6.3mv, say 6.0mv

5x or 6x? Having two arms, change headshell, another cartridge, to avoid adjusting preamp/amp volume when switching, I would choose the x factor 5x or 6x to get the closest matching signal strength of the other cartridge.
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Impedance. Even trickier.

You do need to find out your cartridge’s coil’s ohms _____?

SUT Output Goal/Rule of thumb: cartridge’s coil’s ohms 10x or a bit more.

i.e. my coil: 10 ohms 10x, goal 100 ohm or more.

SUT Actual: 47,000 divided by SUT’s x factor squared.

working backwards: allaso x factor 6 squared = 36. 47,000 divided by 36 = 1305. 1305 divided by 10 x = ideal coil impedance of 130 ohms or a bit more. what is your coil’s impedance___?

i.e. my SUT’s optional setting 10 ohm equals x factor 20.68. squared = 428. 47,000 divided by 428 = SUT actual 110 ohm (a bit more than the rule of thumb for my coil’s10 ohm 10x =100 ohm).

perfectly clear?

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all well as SUT math, but lewm’s comments and suggestions regarding equipment change/avoiding using SUT need to be seriously considered, as I say, I just got into MC/SUT a few months ago.


I don’t have any new experience with line stage, I’m using vintage McIntosh tube tuner/preamp mx110z, love it’s 2 MM phono inputs, so I went for a SUT to simply boost signal strength to preserve the existing phono sound.

It seems all their current cartridges are ,65mv, they must have realized the resultant limitations involved with higher .95mv. a more common 10x factor to current .65mv gives 6.5mv, some loss, say 6.0mv, high but not too much, allows preamp/amp to operate at lower volume settings!

also, .95mv needed more windings for that stronger output, thus a smidgen more weight of their internal coil, perhaps a smidgen less delicate movement, and less than common coil resistance.

you could try selling your strad and get their current Colibri

https://www.vandenhul.com/product/the-colibri/

that opens up your options significantly.
You have great equipment. My advice:

I cannot tell you how many times I have been reminded: KISS, keep it simple stupid. I suggest you simply solve your signal strength issue, change nothing else now.

Your original post was straightforward, and you already knew that wonderful cartridge's .95mv output is a difficult middle ground.  that is the ONLY problem.

You started asking about x factor of 5. That is the simple solution, KISS, pick a SUT with 5 or 6 X factor, keep your existing Phono Stage. 

SUT's do not change the sound, they are not powered, they get MC signal 'proper' (strength and impedance) for MM input of a Phono Stage which you already have.

Optional loading regarding impedance separate from x factor is a wonderful thing, probably more important for your cartridge.

I found one with future flexibility, 4 optional impedance settings (1 specific setting mathematically 'correct' for 'this' cartridge), and 3 other optional/future options, and 3 inputs, and importantly: PASS for MM (or high output MC). All front selections, no rear ..., no dip switches, IOW, flexibly simple!

I just added a 3rd tonearm, now MC; MM; Mono. balanced, ready to go. A simple switch on the face of the SUT, off to a single MM Phono Stage.

I retain the wonderful sound of my McIntosh preamp's phono stage for all 3 arms.

Nirvana