I'm looking for great sound at the best price... spending around 5K, am i going to get better sound and with small monitor speakers like the B&W 805's or Harbeth? I have Paradigm S-8s now... they are big sound alright, but i think if i spent the same money on a great smaller speaker i would get more for my money as far as sound goes... ? I have an above average system, rouge 180 monoblocks, shanata cables, conditioner etc.
@Thuhaile you mean Usher Mini Dancer "DMD" not Diamond. Their driver's breakup mode is at 24KHz unlike a real diamond driver which breaks up at 40KHz. Their "DMD" driver is no more diamond than their "beryllium" driver is made of beryllium.
Has anyone spent time with the Nola Boxers? I understand they come in significantly lower than the price stated by the OP, but reading pretty good reviews.
When I first got my Vapor Cirrus, I just had to take them apart to see the internals. First I found he uses some screws that have a totally unique head, so had to call him and find out what screwdriver bit I need to remove them. Ryan was totally cool about it. He said go ahead and take them apart, but please just go slow :) Since everything is CNC cut, the drivers fit really tight in the cutouts.
When I did get the drivers out I was even more amazed with the insides than I thought I would be. That cabinet literally is built like a fallout shelter! Ryan doesn't cut any corners.
Yea, add up the parts cost. My calculation is there's over 50% of the total cost in just raw parts alone. I count myself fortunate to have found out about his work ... I sure am glad to be rid of my Utopia Be's and Harbeth HL5's.
Don't waste your time on the B&W. The Tyler Acoustic D3's smoke them. With that being said I would look into many others before B&W. Anyone else look into this Vapor Audio Cirrus design? It appears they don't hide anything in the design or construction. Top shelf components throughout. I don't own them but am tempted after doing a little research on these. Maybe not the safest bet but I like living on the edge a little. I would be shocked if they did not really sing. I know there are longer standing safer bets out there but people need to see the cabinet alone on the Vapor. Price out the components and you will see there is not much profit after the build time.
Alot of great choices, but I have returned to Totem more than any other brand for the way they move me emotionaly. Even my Watt/Puppy 6's, Maggie 3.6s, Dynaudio C4's etc.. were not as expressive and engaging. Totem speakers have a unique way of delivering dynamic shifts, combined with tonal sonority and holographic imaging like no other. It's a total package deal as compared to being the state of the art in any particular category. Most live music is a compramise in and of itself anyway, dependant on venue acoustics, performance and seating assignment. Try a Totem speaker...you may be hooked for life!
Part of that something I think has to do with what I would call coherence that comes from two drivers rather than 3 or more - few drivers to mesh and make sound like they are cut from the same cloth - also imaging seems to be more precise with two-ways - the advantages are to my liking, which is why I got Merlin VSMs - essentially two-way monitors with "integrated" stands (and electronic equalization to produce almost full-range performance down to 33hz or so. If I had 5k to spend, and was not a matter of size, a used pair of Merlins is what I would get, with considerably better bass performance than is possible with a pure "book-shelf" two-way monitor.
There are lots of great speakers up to the $5K mark that could go well with the Rogues. I used to own the M150s and they were fantastic amps that did not sound like your typical tube amps.
I own the Harbeth P3ESR and Spendor SA1. Both worthy small speakers that would cost far less than $5KUS. Harbeths have very natural timbre to their sound and sound great with music with real instruments. If fast bass heavy, electronic music is your thing the Harbeths won't suit. Whereas the Spendors have a different sound and I feel can play more genres than the Harbeths as they are faster. They to my ears sound a little more closed in and the tweeter rolled off. What this does believe it or not is really draw you into the music. The sort of speaker that lets you forget about all your gear. Both cracking speakers which is why they are still with me. There is something refreshing with small sealed box speakers that has me hooked! Just my two cents...
Just to pile on, I think the Merlin TSM are well worth considering, very high quality two-way monitors. I would also seek to audition the Harbeth line, HL5s would be my target at the price point and bit better bass performance than their smaller models. Are there better? Who knows, but these are undoubtedly excellent small speakers. Oh, and did I mention Verity......
Check out Merlin TSM and Soundsmith Monarch. Different presentations, but both sound excellent. Never heard Devore Gibbon 3XL but if it were me looking I'd check them out as well.
I would listen to Totem Element Fire's. They were a big buzz at the RMAF. I'm a Harbeth freak. The Super 5's are in your price range. I have the C7's and will be keeping them for another 10 years without even thinking about it. They work miracles in my room. We all have our favorites.
Ah well, I would recommend Harbeth or MERLIN; the first ones only because i heard them puzzled over them, but never had first hand experience; the Merlins because I truly believe that the MASTER TSM is my personal finest speaker I want to have in my living room, and I am a violinist, using gear in every possible way.
As noted above, Gallo 3.5s excellent and small. Can be had new at your pricepoint, I reckon. For much less, the Selah Veritas is a fine speaker in a small package at 2k.
Best? Who knows.... but here's a list to consider. Red Rose Rosebuds Jm lab micro be JM Labs 1007Be Dynaudio Special 25 Original Edition Magico Mini Magico Mini II Merlin tsm-MX Marten Design Duke Sonus Faber Cremona Sonus Faber Cremona M Coincident Triumph Signature UHS, Extreme Version SF Amati Homage Sonus Faber Extrema Star Sound Caravelles with stands MBL 121 Rosewood Manley ML10 using Tannoy sgm10b with mastering labs xvr Tannoy SGM-10B Super Gold Eggleston Works Fontaine Jean Marie Reynaud Offrande MBL 121 Radialstrahler Thiel pcs
Harmonic Precision Caravelles; They blow away every monitor mentioned so far and with a good, musical sub, unbelievable. Too bad employee theft destroyed the company and builder. Check out the pair for sale on audiogon now and my review I wrote comparing to my MAXX 1's.
Audience, made in Southern California are terrific. Huge, open sound.....when I walked into the demo room, I thought the big-brother line source speakers were playing. These are full-range multi-driver speakers with a passive radiator. And for the full pop of $5k, really nice. Model? 2+2
Why settle for small speakers that have higher distortion mid Bass thump and bright highs when driven to their limit... Take a listen to Full Range like a Vandy Quatro still a smaller profile or Five A both offer room compensation will never overload your room and deliver more seamless enjoyable music. Best JohnnyR
If 5K is your budget the Wilson Benesch ARC. I had them with the Rogue gear. Terrific speaker, extrememly well made with fine fit and finish, coherent but detailed
I just spent the last two hours listening to Billie Holliday on the speakers that replaced my wonderful Magnepan 1.6 QR pair. The Maggies were on Mye stands and fed by Rogue and Odyssey gear...terrific sound and image and amazingly transparent with a lot of watts. Good lord this Verve CD of Holliday is also amazing! Now those big Maggie panels are replaced with fairly small Merlin TSM-MXrs and fed by 18 watts from a Manley Stingray. It's been a very nice upgrade for me. And it's a lot easier to move the Merlins when needed. No doubt a lot of people will chime in and some very good speakers will be mentioned. Sadly....it's not easy to audition Merlins, but if you can you may find the magic you need.
Hands down the Harbeth Super 5's. Go audition them if you can. Google reviews. The reviews will amaze you. I'm not sure why mapman mentioned Rogue, but at the 2010 'The Show' in Montreal, the most well regarded room was the room with a Rogue Cronus Magnum, Rega Apollo, and Harbeth Compact 7's. Look it up on Google. I've read reviews of the Rogue / Harbeth combo several time and my local dealer also recommends this combo. Remember, specs do not matter when auditioning audio gear so if someone tells you such and such will not work with such and such, it's not true.
I have personally not found that small speakers necessarily outperform larger speakers in the same price range. Much depends on the room and the type of music you listen to. Smaller room and/or listening to primarily small ensemble acoustic music or classic rock and minimonitor is probably the way to go. I have heard B&W 805 diamonds and think highly of them. Would also consider Joseph audio pulsar, Totems and dynaudio in that price range.
I and anyoher long-time member and i (due to the mind-bending demo I haeard thru his smoewhat modest system. I knew I had to have a pair in my system. And thus began the 8-month "watch Audiogon like a hawk for the right speakers at the right price" obsession.
We both have the marvelous Gallo Reference 3.1s You can find this in pristine condition for right around 1500 - 1800 delivered.
Do yourself a favor and read the reveiews for these remarkable speakers. Adn, generally, very high-WAF...
An example: here is an Agon ad for the Gallo Reference 3.5, the successor to the 3.1. However, Anthony *doubled* the price and I think that hurt it'sgiant killer" cred.
Holistic Audio H1 speakers. Flexible in placement, great stereo imaging outside the sweetspot, easy to drive, room friendly, decor flexible, satisfying at low volume, great bass punch, great WAF, and so freakin easy to listen to.
If you manage to find a pair of system audio SAK2 WILL BE THE END OF YOUR SEARCH! I have been lucky enough to find a used pair in San juan Pr while I am in graduate school! One of the sweetest sounding speakers I ever listen to! Coming from Dalis, crescendos, dynaudio I know what I am talking! Otherwise get a nola boxer pair I compared them with linn accurate 242 I think in NJ the dealer owner could not believe it! My 2 cents! Good luck
I just wrote a review for the website hometheaterreview.com that should be published by next week on Bob Smith's, Aether Audio, Spirit-1SE two way stand mount speaker. I have heard many of the other speakers mentioned by other posters and they are quite good, however this new Spirit-1SE is a pretty amazing performer. Take a look at the review when it is published and if your interested shoot me an e-mail.
If you do not require very low bass, loud volume or have a large room to fill then smaller speakers have some great advantages. Since the drivers are so close together the inaging is better than a larger speaker, everything else being equal. Also it is much easier to build a great two way than a great three way; smaller cabiniet can be more rigid, simpler crossover etc. The 805 or Harbeth are very good, years ago I was a dealer for both of them; still have a pair of 805 Matrix and Spendors, which are very similar to Harbeth. Harbeth and Spendor are both very good matches with tubes and the B&W should work also. My advice to you would be this; recent generation 805s often show up in very good condition for around $2000; buy a pair and see how you like them. You will soon know if small speakers are for you; if not sell them at at most a small loss. If you do like them then either keep them, trade up to the newest 805s or transfur your allegence to another brand. They are many good brands of small speakers which sound quite different. Instead of spending $5000 initally I would buy a good used pair of a good brand and live with them for a while; this way your loss will be minimised if you decide to go in another direction.
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