Inna. If I was constantly hawking VPI or Nottingham, that would be ok, right? Everybody else does. Look how many posts are up promoting the Aries and Scout. What's your beef with Teres? I'm the only person talking about it. You want to silence the ONE voice on this site about that. Sorry if I'm a bit more active on this site than you'd like. |
I'd recommend a Teres 255 with battery power option($2850), an Origin Live Illustrious tonearm($2170), and a Shelter 901 cartridge($1500).
I recommend an Aesthetix IO phonostage for a setup of this kind of quality.
I think that your suggested system will likely sound very good also. However, even though I have not heard the Volvere, the Teres soundly whacks anything that is better known up to and maybe over $12k, so I am skeptical that the Volvere would do any better than the Teres. The Triplanar is a very nice arm, but I think the OL Illustrious is better, and the Shelter 901 is definitely way better than the Helikon.
IMHO
I think my suggested system will do at least as well, and probably better for significantly less money, which could then be spent on the IO phono stage. |
That's alright Marakanetz. I understand. It is a very good deck, though. I've heard alot of decks, arms and carts. |
Marakanetz, I can only relate the comparisons that I am aware of. I have not compared to SPJ LaLuce. But the Teres 255 has been compared to the Clearaudio Master Reference on 2 occasions, and has beaten that on both occasions, in the ears of the listeners. It has been tested against Verdier La Platine and found to be about a tie on at least 2 different comparisons. On one comparison I know of, it was tested against a Walker Proscenium and was very close, and the Walker had a better cartridge. So by now I guess that it is apparent it is in a very high class of turntables. I am not saying that it is the very best, but I do say it is competitive with the very best, and costs far less, so I promote it as a very good value. If I were to guess, I'd say it will beat the SPJ LaLuce, because the SPJ has primarily acrylic construction. This is a problem and gives poorer detail and bass response compared to other materials. I found this out first hand when I had my Teres acrylic-base 135, and then upgraded to the wood/lead shot loaded 245 base. This may also be one reason why the Teres beats all the Clearaudio TTs. After hearing the difference between acrylic and other base materials, I cannot recommend acrylic bases. Again, I am not saying that Teres is the ultimate. I am saying that it is close enough to the ultimate so that you would never need to upgrade and it could be your last table. Especially since it is so reasonably priced. As far as arms on the Teres are concerned, it is very easy to use any type of arm on it. It has alot of adjustability for rotation and position of the armboard, and can accept any arm. Even ET-2.5 and other air bearing arms will work quite easily. There is no suspension, so sagging springs are not a problem when using heavy arms like the ET. In fact, it sounds real good with an ET-2.5. I use an OL Silver arm. Many are used with OL modded Rega 250. Graham is also popular with Teres owners. You can pick whatever you want, and it works great. I like the OL arms, but it would accept Kuzma arms just fine. No problem. |
Inna. If nobody promoted what they owned here, about 90% of the traffic would stop on this site. Maybe I'm sick and tired of hearing about Audio Aero, or Audio Research, or VPI. I'm not, really, but what if I was? Wanna count up the posts, and see who's promoting their equipment? It seems to me that this site is designed to have people ask questions about equipment, and the ones who own applicable components answer the questions. I didn't see the thread-poster specify "no comments from TWL". Perhaps you misunderstand my intention. My intention is to try to help these people get quality sound at reduced prices, compared with other products. Maybe you would prefer that they pay more and get less, but I consider that to be doing a disservice to one who would ask a question. If you want to know whether I listen or not, I read every new or active thread on this site every single day. |
Thank you, Carl. I'm only trying to help. |
Thanks,guys, I think Inna gets the point. BTW, the stuff I mentioned above is not even what I own. I recommended a Teres 255, OL Illustrious, Shelter 901, and Aesthetix IO. For the record, I own Teres 245, OL Silver, Shelter 501, and MFA Magus. None of the components I recommended here are those that I own. Furthermore, they all fit into the requirements listed by the thread-poster, and I felt that they would meet his needs, and specified why. At no time did I disparage his own choices that were up for discussion, and even stated that they would likely be a very good sounding rig. My recommendations stemmed from an attempt to show him a way to get as good or better sound quality, and save him enough money so he could afford to spend more on a quality phono stage like the IO. I thought that was what he wanted to know, so that's what I responded with. I do the same thing when others ask similar questions. I don't think it's fair to the person asking the question, to hold back pertinent information about a product, just because some people don't want to hear about it. |
Marakanetz, I didn't have a thing to do with the Teres design, nor have any relationship with the company, other than being a customer. I know it may not appear that way to some, but I assure you that I have only the best interest of the members here, at heart. No personal agenda. I simply am enjoying mine so much, that I would like others to know about it, so they can get the same level of enjoyment as I am having, or even more maybe. I have always tried to find products that are over-achievers for my system, because I have champagne taste and a beer budget. I think many of the members may be in the same situation. So I try to "turn them on" to stuff that performs well and is affordable. That's all. |
I agree that the Redpoint TT is a very good one. It is made by some of the same people that worked on the Teres project, and some feel it is an improvement. Another one of the better values in the TT arena. |
Mejames, I know you have a very high end system. In order for you to really do justice to your system, I would recommend getting something that is a little higher in the line from the Teres 135. I had the 135 and it was very good. But the 245 or 255 is the cat's ass. These are not terribly more expensive at only $2150 or $2850 respectively. That is not alot as analog decks go. The main weakness in the 135 model is the bass response is weaker than the others, and detail and smoothness are not as good either. There is a major jump in performance at the 245 model. That is what I have.
I have listed in a previous post above my choices for the best performance for dollar. To reiterate, I think the Teres 245, Origin Live Silver, and Shelter 501 represent the best for the money in each of their respective categories. And by quite a fair margin, I might add. These will outperform units costing several times their prices, and approach the state-of-the-art. They may not be the ultimate pinnacle, but are very close and cost a reasonable amount.
IMO, there is no digital player made that can compete with this. At any price. The total for this analog setup is about half what a new AA Capitole costs.
I think you would serve your system well to have a rig like this on the front end. Go for the 245, it's worth the extra few hundred over the 135. I have used both. If you can stretch up to the 255, it's even better. The difference is not as dramatic as the difference between 135 and 245, but it is an improvement. Also, Teres is a very nice looking table, and is also pretty compact in the footprint. You don't need a square yard of shelf space for it.
You could also look at the Redpoint TT, but I selected the Teres because I preferred the appearance, performance is comparable, and Teres costs less.
It is factory-direct only, and the pricing is about 1/4-1/3 of what you'd normally pay for this performance at a retail level. You can see them at www.teresaudio.com |
Tom, when I get a chance to come out and do a comparison, I'll let you know. I really can't give you a definitive answer on that, because I have not set them side by side and compared. If I said something about it and was wrong, I'd be doing people a disservice, and that is why I didn't say definitively that the Teres is better than the SME, even though I suspect it to be so. I can say the same about the Well-Tempered, but will reserve judgment until I can do an A/B comparison. I hope you understand that I want to be helpful, but calling a shot in the dark is not helping anybody. If you want to get a reference point, the Teres has been A/B'd to the tables I mentioned in my other post, like the Clearaudio Master Ref, TNT, Verdier, Walker, and Basis. If you have compared to any of these tables, you could get a good idea of how things would stack up. The Walker was the only one that was said to be a cut above the Teres, and the Verdier was a tie. All others were beaten in the comparisons done in the systems used for testing. Not everyone may agree with these assessments, but the listeners doing the comparisons agreed on these. YMMV. This was only pointed out to help understand the level at which the Teres performs, and not to glorify it over other TTs. |
