best rca cable for deep controlled bass

06-04-11: Maplegrovemusic
Kimber Kable Hero will give added bass.

Yes they do. Kimber Hero is also clean, tight, and full sounding. Overall pretty fast, neutral, articulate, and easy to live with while improving on bass signal transfer.
[quote]06-05-11: Rok2id
how do they do that?[/quote]
I suspect it has to do with getting all frequencies to arrive at the same time. If a bass tone's fundamental and all its overtones arrive at the same time, the bass will sound subjectively stronger. A cable that is very fast with mids and highs but less so with bass will sound bass-weak by comparison. This is the criticism often leveled at the very fast cables such as Nordost--the air, transparency and inner detail are breathtaking but bass sounds a little thin.

By contrast, the cables with the networks--MIT and Transparent--which are designed to keep timings of all frequencies aligned, are known for full, extended bass.

I theorize that Kimber Hero manages to do a similar thing with its multiple gauges and windings. I also hear this from my Zu cables. Zu was co-founded by a Kimber guy, and Zu makes extensive use of multiple gauges, alloys, and geometry to (I suppose) maintain tonal balance and timing coherency.

06-05-11: Hifihvn
And yet electric takes about .000.000.001 second to travel one foot. Amazing.

If you don't know the difference between electricity and electronics, you have no business hanging out on this forum to make know-it-all, smart ass comments.

You're confusing the difference between electric current and electronic signal. They are two different things with different rules and characteristics. When we talk about "speed" in signal cables we're referring to signal rise time, which has little to do with the conducting speed of electricity and is entirely dependent on the bandwidth of the conductor. Electrical devices started with the light bulb and proceeded from there; they are concerned with conduction of current. Electronics began with tubes and deal with manipulating voltage fluctuations to create signals to mimic soundwaves or to convey other intricate patterns.

This difference has only been around since the 1920s. Try to keep up.

06-07-11: Hifihvn
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You keep pushing that Onkyo amp as an amp that produces 350 watts. NOT POSSIBLE. Learn how to read basic specs...Link for your 350 watt amp post that puts out under 55 watts per channel....

This post is so preposterous it bears some correction. To say I "keep pushing that Onkyo amp" is a bit of a stretch since his link refers to a 3-year-old thread. The amp in question is the Onkyo A-9555 hybrid switching integrated amplifier, rated at around 85 wpc into 8 ohms. Double that output into 4 ohms and sum the output of both channels to come up with Hifihvn's 350 watts. The Onkyo factory specs are here, but even more revealing is Stereophile's test results, which say in part:

Defining clipping as 1% THD, the A-9555 comfortably exceeded its rated power, clipping at 110Wpc into 8 ohms (20.4dBW), 175Wpc into 4 ohms (19.4dBW), and, with one channel driven rather than two, 245W into 2 ohms (17.9dBW)....

So, not only is that output *possible*, it's confirmed by independent testing.

Why Hifihvn thinks the A-9555 can barely make 55 watts, I can only guess that he's confusing the A-9555 with the much smaller A-5VL with built-in DAC. The A-5VL hadn't even been released when I posted about the A-9555 in Sept. 2008 and it's not like the model numbers would be easily confused.

The A-9555 isn't the ultimate integrated amp, but at a street price under $500 it's a great value.

If a 3rd party test (Stereophile) measures 175 wpc into 4 ohms, I would believe those results before drawing some sweeping conclusion based on the manufacturer's spec sheet, which may even be a misprint.

Your assertion about power consumption vs. power output motivated me to search out the specs on some new ultra-light class D bass guitar amplifiers. Gallien-Krueger, a specialist in this area, has an amp that makes 200w into 4 ohms and draws 240 watts max. They have another amp that makes 500w into 4 ohms and consumes 580 watts at full power. So class D switching amps (which the Onkyo is) are very efficient. Since the Onkyo specs DO NOT specify 110 watts as the MAX draw, I can only conclude that it either means typical or average consumption or it is erroneous. I sure wouldn't base the capabilities of the amp on one unqualified mfr's spec, especially when a 3rd party (Stereophile) independently verified that the Onkyo produced 110 wpc (both channels driven) into 8 ohms and 175 wpc (again, both channels driven) into 4 ohms.

I have one last question, however. What does any of this have to do with finding interconnects with good bass response?

READ THE STEREOPHILE REPORT! They tested it according to FTC requirements--one hour 1/3-power burn-in, testing from 20-20KHz continuous power output both channels driven. It measured 110 wpc into 8 ohms and 175 wpc into 4 ohms. What part of that don't you understand? Who cares what the Onkyo specs say when a 3rd party put it on the test bench and tested strictly according to the FTC rules?

In reference to my second question, it's not an issue of "tech talk," it's basic forum courtesy to stick to the OP's subject and not hijack his thread about interconnects by bringing in a 3-year-old post about an amplifier.