Thanks Lovescotch and Et. I hear what your're saying Et. I wish I could try these in my system, but I want to buy used off the web and I don't want to demo at a dealer and not purchase. The rest of my system is: Levinson 31 transport -> Audio Logic (tube) DAC -> Levinson 38S -> VTL MB750 amps -> Magnepan 3.6 speakers with Cardas Neutral Ref cables. You're right Lovescotch, maybe I should just update the 38S to the 380S. Since I can't audition, I'm depending on what others have owned/heard. What do you guys think?