Find used and less than $5k...Used - any of the Salk models with a RAAL tweeter....often sold on Audio Circle
New...the Ascend Sierra tower with the RAAL tweeter ...see their website
The RAAL will bring out the beauty and detail of the violin and other string and horn instruments...and it will give you really nice dispersion, horizontal and vertical and the models above are easy to place and easy to drive.
can you define rather small room? Most speakers capable of throwing a soundstage big enough for a classical orchestra need to be ~ 4ft from the front wall. If that's doable, definitely check out Emerald Physics various models. I have enjoyed my KCIIs, but in my large room they need 2 subs to adequately pressurize my room. In a smallish room they could be just what you are looking for
No relation to the seller I own the same speakers and they are fantastic for jazz and classical and string tone in particular. New they are right around $5K.
Thanks to all who responded. Perhaps I should have worded my post a little differently. Instead of saying "best" which is subjective, I should have simply asked for suggestions for speakers that are recognized for certain characteristics. Many of the suggestions so far are speaker lines that I am considering. A few more that I'll throw out there are Sonus Faber and Vienna Acoustics. Thanks again. cal91
If you have to put speakers near the corners or back wall, or have any other specific requirements it would be helpful to know this too; I like the various Audio Note speakers when placement near walls/corners is in the picture. Along with the Harbeth 30.2's that were mentioned, I would also recommend looking at ProAc D2, or one of their larger models with a ribbon tweeter if you can swing those speakers. ProAc does a good job with integrating ribbon drivers with their other drivers, something that is not easy to do, apparently. On the other hand, pleated ribbon drivers (the Heil Air Motion Transformer) seems to be easier to integrate, given that I've heard several speaker models with these drivers that sound terrific.
Vandersteens have a full sound that works well with classical pieces as do DeVore speakers. I heard, at a show, the Tekton Double Impacts playing classical music and they sounded quite decent; these you will have to hear at a show or order them on-line for an audition. At a show, I heard some Ginko Audio speakers (the people who make vibration isolation platforms) that sounded very good and would work well for your purposes.
If you can actually locate the speakers away from the back wall, the Magnepans that were mentioned above, or the smaller model will be something else to consider. I think electrostatics and hybrid electrostatic/dynamic drivers also sound decent with most classical fare. If your preference is mostly chamber music, and not Mahler's eighth, the old Quad 57 would be terrific, but, you would need to look for something that delivers much LESS power.
May I strongly suggest a pair of Omega Super Alnico Monitors (SAMs). Wonderful for classical, jazz, acoustic. High efficiency, beautiful midrange, and wonderful tone! I was going to get the Harbeth M30.1, had did a week long home audition. Ready to pull the trigger when I heard the SAMs. Was blown away with their sound. To my ears much better than the Harbeth’s, at half the cost. As background, these are the speakers that finally replaced my Spendor BC-1s, and while my musical tastes are broad, I listen to lots of classical (chamber, solo instruments, and symphonies); acoustic Americana, bluegrass and folk; and small jazz. The SAMs reproduce strings, piano, and horns second to none.
Hi, When I used to go to the CES show every year I always stopped by the "SHAHINIAN" room and listened to classical music. In my opinion they were the best speakers that I heard at the shows for this type of music, they just sounded coherent top to bottom. The ARC ensemble and the DIAPASON ensemble and maybe the OBELISK depending on room size and price considerations. Look for a used pair they do come up for sale once in a while.
Good Luck, TISH
YES! Shahinians are much overlooked speakers that sound good with all sorts of music, but, are particularly good with classical fare. I too have visited the Shahinian room at CES when the old man use to do the demo. He liked classical music and that is what was used for the demonstration. The sound was always full, relaxed (but not mushy/muddy) and expansive.
cal91, I know your amp very well. One of the smaller Sonus Faber floor standers would be excellent as would used Magico or Wilson floor standers. But, if you really want to feel as if there is a violin in the room then get a pair of Soundlabs Audiophile 545s. They are a smaller full range electrostatic speaker and just 24" wide. They go into small rooms nicely are beautifully made. You will never look at another type of loudspeaker again.
tweak11,000 posts06-24-2019 3:30pmIm not a 'top designer' but I have owned quite a few different speakers in my same room of 24 years, and that sir is BS
Lots of people say Magneplanars are good only for Classical and Jazz (I disagree), so there is the new LRS, which with a sub or four should fit the bill. An alternative is the Eminent Technology LFT-8b. Both those dipole planars need a few feet between them and the wall behind them, and a fairly beefy power amp (more so the LRS than the LFT).
One of the very most musical systems I've ever heard, period, was a 1976 vintage pair of KEF Calinda loudspeakers being driven by a Marantz 8B power amp. You mostly find the Calinda in Europe, but they can be had for about $400/pair. Match them up with a suitable tube power amp and you will have sheer magic in your home.
Best value I've seen are the superb ATC SCM12 Pro speakers. I have these and the more expensive ATC SCM20PSL. Both are "pro" speakers - they do not have the finished cabinets of the corresponding ATC SCM11 and SCM19 audiophile models, which are more expensive. The 12 Pro's retail for roughly $1850 in the US, and can be bought for less. Built like tanks, and have an amazing sound for Classical and other genres.
Don’t be “side-wined” by other responses! For the MOST ACCURATE rendition of Live Instruments in a CONCERT HALL SETTING- in your listening room (incontrovertibly)... SPENDOR, SPENDOR and SPENDOR!
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Depending on the size of the classical music image you'd like to present, I encourage you to consider the Shahinian Acoustics line of speakers as well. Shahinians are floorstanding omnidirectionals. I have heard several of the other speakers recommended in this thread at shows over the years and they are certainly high quality, high sound quality speakers. I would put Shahinians in similar quality levels, but expect you would find the effect of Spendor/Sonus Faber, etc. vs Shahinian quite different. Directionals tend to project details quite well, and you can localize sound images very specifically - BUT, with narrow space where sound is truly optimized (i.e., a single "money seat" where sound is perfect - seats to sides of that seat don't sound quite as good). I like directionals for featured individual voices, or individual acoustic instruments.
In contrast, I find Shahinians and other omnis (such as MBLs) are great at symphonic, organ, and other "large presentation" content, where presenting a large scale is important. I like my Shahinian Arcs, too, for jazz and rock combo pieces - where I'm not focusing on the specific placement of singers or instrumentalists, but more on the blended presentation of the group. Shahinians provide surprisingly deep bass for their size, through use of passive radiators. I expect they would go much deeper and much stronger in bass than some of the other speakers recommended here for a comparable price. You should be able to get either a used pair of the Arcs, or even better the larger Obelisks well within your $5000 budget.
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I’m a retired professor and performing "classical pianist" so I found the replies very interesting and informative regarding what kind of speakers are best for classical music. I also listen through 3.6 Maggies (plus a sub) and like them but I would think that any fairly flat speaker would be ideal for all kinds of music depending on the acoustical listening environment, source (LP, downloads, software, etc), electronics, cables and AC power. Once a year, I find my Maggies way too bright and end up switching out my solid state preamp for an old Spatial Coherence pre. I like the relaxed and natural sound of the "Knapp TFET-valves," (yes, I know that the Spatial is not a tube amp). After several months, I want to hear more inside and distinct clarity from recordings and go back to my solid state pre. My point is that there’s no one right way or wrong way to listen to any kind of music! Whatever takes you into the music, whatever enables you to hear what you’re listening for-that’s the speaker for you. But before making a decision, go to a few symphony concerts! No two halls, no two orchestras, not even two identical instruments made my the same manufacturer will sound alike. Absolutely, not even ONE, specific piano will sound the same after different technicians voice the (felt) hammers or even tune the instrument. Not only do Hamburg Steinway pianos not sound like New York Steinways, German hammers and New York hammers will even sound very differently on the same piano! And this is not to mention how different artist play or even how humidity changes tone and intonation in an orchestra or band. So, again my point, there is no one speaker that will deliver perfection from an art that has no "perfect" one way!
Another brand you might consider is Larsen speakers ( http://www.larsenhifi.com/en/index.htm). Rears ago I owned a pair of Sonab speakers, which were designed by Larsen in the late 70's. The Larsen 6.2 is in your price range, and they are designed to be placed next to a wall. TAS had a very favorable review of that model ( http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/larsen-model-62-loudspeaker/), and in particular raved about its performance with violins. The frequency response also extends down into the 20Hz range. I'd suggest auditioning them.
maxthedog, great post. I enjoyed reading it. I have a lot of friend who are musicians and use either Vandersteen's or Maggie's. Billy Drummond uses both speakers in his home systems. Many of us who listen to music more than we listen to 'gear' agree that there isn't a right speaker for a specific genre. A nice 'flat in the room' type of speaker matched with great gear will be highly satisfying on anything you want to listen to.
Most who love music that is truly full range will want a floor stander that has more bass (as long as it's a speaker that can reproduce bass properly).
For orchestral, opera or any complex music I strongly agree with the recommendations for Shahinian, Larsen or Ohm. The Larsens can be (must be) placed directly against the wall, the others will vary based on your room. Only radiating, omnidirectional speakers can even try to resemble a concert hall venue. All can be purchased new for under $5K (lower models) and all are often available on the used market.
In a small room I would look at the Shahinian Elf and the Larsen 4 or 6. I have never tested an Ohm speaker so I won't recommend a specific model but I have heard them several times and they sounded very good.
Just FWIW dept.: speaker don't care what music you play through them. The qualities that make for a speaker that plays classical well are exactly the same qualities that make it good for rock or folk music as well. The idea that a speaker is somehow particularly suited for a certain genre of music is entirely mythological, and likely the most predominant myth in audio.
Klipsch Heresy IIIs with a couple of subs are in your price range...put good amps in front of them and let the fun begin. Atmasphere is absolutely correct about good speakers not caring what they're playing, except my Heresy IIIs can't play certain mumblecore or shoe gaze stuff because, hey, I won't let them (so I guess it's just me).
speaker don't care what music you play through them. The qualities that make for a speaker that plays classical well are exactly the same qualities that make it good for rock or folk music as well.With all due respect to Ralph, who is both smarter and better looking than me, I don't agree with your assessment. I thought the same way, for years. But I firmly believe that it's hard, nee impossible, to find a speaker that excels at all musical genres. Not considering room and ears differences.
As I mentioned above, I feel that only an onmidirectional speaker can properly convey the sense of space and separation of instruments for large scale classical music, grand opera and large choral works. IMO the best speaker (I have heard) for this was a pair of Shahinian Hawks. But for jazz or rock - they are absolutely not my cup of tea. The Larsens are better and I think if I were limited to one desert island speaker it might be the Larsen 6. But I listen to a lot of classical music.
Right now I have a pair of Omega single drivers in my living room. Fabulous speakers; work with nearly every tube amp I throw at them. Although they don't so do deep bass (I mate them to a pair of subs) they sound fabulous for most of the non-classical music I listen to. They are also great for chamber and smaller classical ensembles but with large, complex music they just clog up a little.
Occasionally (mostly when the Mrs. isn't home for a few days) I schlep my Altec 19s out of storage. Also fabulous speakers, IMO the best horn speakers ever designed for home use. They are better than OK for large classical but not ideal. The notes are well separated but there is not the same sense of space and venue provided by a good omnidirectional speaker. Again, IMO.
You can come close using bidirectional speakers but not quite; although they can do some things better. I have to say that the best reproduced classical performances I have ever heard were played on (3) Magnepan 20.1 speakers and a Meridian 568 processor using Meridian's Trifield 3-channel mode. It was the closest playback experience to a live performance I have ever experiences. The Downside - requires huge speakers in a huge room. But if I had Ralph's money... I would burn mine. ;-)
Exactly, great systems will play anything you throw at them. Unfortunately due to cost restrictions we frequently have to compromise. If that means selecting equipment that plays what we like, so be it. The problem comes when you like everything. How much do you have to spend to construct a system that plays everything at satisfying levels.
Soup to nuts I'm am going to guess at $50,000.00 in todays money. That includes phono equipment and computer audio as well as a disc player.
Anybody do it cheaper?
Guys, everything that is made is a compromise. That's the baseline of any audio. Then we chose what manufacture, who's compromises we can live with and love. Usually it's speakers first and then we design a system AROUND them. It's electronics, so not everything will work, regardless of how highly rated, or expensive or loved in other systems.
I asked this question again to a couple of well known speaker designers as well as two amp designers (not recent for either amp guys as one was the late Charlie Hansen)., The speaker guys make totally different types and sounds of speakers. It didn't matter as each said virtually the same thing....It doesn't matter. They each said that if you ask top designers, they will tell you similarly.
What they will say is that some music may not have to have as much low end so some will save money and buy stand mounted speaker. When talking about Jazz, Blues, Classical or Rock which are major genres, you want a true full range speaker that will have the house sound which will allow us to be involved with the music.
I'm sure there are exceptions to the folks I spoke with, but even reviewers I'm close with agree with this. Some will disagree as they do in this thread, but I bet that the majority in audio who actually listen to a ton of products and systems will agree.