Best MC cart for Thorens TP16 MK1?


I'm sick of reading through so many different forums, my eyes are bugging out and I can't decide. So I'm just going to put it out there and see what y'all think. I've never had a moving coil cart before and I really want to install one on my Thorens TD-160 with original TP16 arm (16.5g) and stock TP60 headshell. I've gone through all the math around this, but now I need to hear from folks who are ACTUALLY running an MC cart on the same setup as mine (or have in the past), or at least heard such a setup.

I'm tempted by DL-103, but some feel it's too low in compliance for the arm, and I'd have to add weight most likely. Others that mathematically might fit the bill: Sumiko Blue Point No. 3, Hana EL, Benz Micro Gold, Ortofon Quintet Blue, and Audio Technica AT33PTG/2.

I'm willing to spend up to $700. What friggin MC cart would sing on this arm without fussing with weights? I can't seem to find a straight answer. I thank you all in advance.
hoytis

Showing 2 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

Not your arm, or table, but for my 1st MC, I chose the AT you mentioned

AT33PTG/II based on it's Stylus Shape; superior stereo channel separation and tight channel balance. 

Tracks lightly enough, sounds absolutely terrific, it's stereo separation the reason I prefer it to my prior favorite cartridge: MM, Shure V15VxMR body with new Jico SAS stylus on boron. 

Greater separation gives more distinction to instruments 'just off center', bass player just there, floutist ... as well as far left/right, and the strong center instrument/performer revealed in all it's glory. Bigger orchestra ... 

Certain recordings, very wide separation can be distracting, in that case I either use my Shure on my second arm, or adjust the speaker's toe-in to narrow the full width of the sound stage, easy as my heavy speakers are on 3 wheels.

For 2 listeners, to get a nice wide center and audible left/right for both people, I toe-in even more: aim the left speaker at the right chair, right speaker at the left chair, gives very enjoyable imaging to both listeners.

If you cannot alter your speaker's toe-in, an arm with a removable headshell will allow you to use a 'less wide' cartridge for certain recordings.
Think about future flexibility,

I researched a lot and got advice here before I jumped into MC. After this one, who knows what future MC I might want to try, so I learned about the relationship of X factors and Impedance Loading first, and concluded flexibility would be desirable.

I love the sound of my tube preamp’s MM phono, so I decided to use a SUT Step Up Transformer to boost the weak MC signal enough to go into the preamp’s MM input, and how loading can alter frequency response.

MM Pass is an important SUT feature, it allows you to keep the SUT in-line and run a MM cartridge thru it without it’s transformer’s signal boost. No cable change needed, no 2nd input in the preamp needed.

eventually I chose a vintage Fidelity Research FRT-4 as it has 3 tonearm inputs (front selectable), MM Pass, and 4 optional X factors and Impedance Loads. It is dead quiet. This one is in Russia, just to show it to you:

https://www.hi-fi.ru/auction/detail/1135492?refsource=hifishark

There are others, including current production,

many of the Entre 100 are available, silver or black

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203344578296?hash=item2f584806f8:g:-KcAAOSwgdFgcw5X

As it happened, I added a second tonearm, then added a 3rd tonearm to my TT, and a friend gave me a vintage MC Cartridge, all easy due to the SUT’s features.