Best Drum Solos


I'm finding that I've been REALLY enjoying drum solos on my system lately. They seem to work the whole speaker, from the kick drum in the woofers, to the tom-tom in the midrange, and the cymbals and high hats in the tweeters. And when it all comes together, they are the instrument I have the easiest time seeing in front of myself.

I searched the forums titles to see if there were any good drum solo discussions going on, but I didn't see any. So here we go. In no particular order, here are some drum solos I've found to be very high quality:

Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - The Drum Thunder Suite
Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - Caravan
Dave Brubeck Quartet - Far More Drums
Led Zeppelin - Moby Dick
Max Roach - Max's Variations

What are your favorite drum solos to listen to on your system? 
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Don Lamond in Bobby Darin’s version of "Beyond The Sea". Lamond had been Woody Herman’s drummer in the 1940’s. Don's two short little drum "breaks" on "Beyond The Sea", especially the second, are insanely cool.

The worst drum solo is probably Ron Bushy’s in Iron Butterfly’s "Inna Gadda Da Vida". Second place for me is Ginger Baker’s in Cream’s "Toad". Just miserable. Buddy Rich characterized Baker as a "clown".

See: That's the difference between Cool and not Cool. I'll bet President Nixon would pick Buddy Rich over Ginger Baker.
Wow bdp. Don’t ever miss a chance to dump on Cream. But thanks for sharing your O-pinion. Hmm..."miserable".  That sure changes my view of Toad. Buddy Rich calling Baker a "clown" just sealed the deal. Curious though, you being the professional drummer and all, what exactly makes that solo miserable? 

Since you brought it up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIqa27Ml3jI&ab_channel=GingerBakerTheMovie

Comments are worth reading too. I guess not everyone shares your appreciation.




First of all, Ginger’s drums and cymbals sound terrible---terrible! The drums are thin and ringy, no body or tone, like an unplugged Telecaster. The cymbals are dissonant (the overtones being out-of-tune with the fundamental) and clangy, without the percussive "click" of good cymbals, or their melodic pitch and tone. Listen to the cymbals of Jim Gordon (Derek & The Dominoes, Joe Cocker, Delaney & Bonnie, Traffic) and many Jazz drummers (as well as Don Lamonds in the aforementioned "Beyond The Sea"), then Gingers. The man had no taste! Likewise, his drums just don’t sound good. Just as with his cymbals, their overtones are out-of-tune with the fundamentals, creating dissonance. Ugly and unpleasant. Some drummers never learn how to tune drums. He also used really thin heads on his drums. Ask any guitarist about what super-thin strings sound like---no body, no substance. To hear what good drums and cymbals sound like, listen to Levon Helm’s on the Band’s albums, particulary the 1st and 2nd. Listen to the opening of "The Weight", the three simple quarter notes Levon plays on his mounted and floor toms. Fantastic! Then listen to his cymbals---beautiful musical instruments, very much like Jim Gordon’s.

As for the substance of Ginger’s "Toad" solo, when you take away all the repetitions of patterns and figures that he plays, you have only a couple minutes of actual ideas. He just repeats them over and over and over again in a row, making the solo sooo repetitious and (imo) boring. And those ideas themselves are just not interesting, at least not to me. They sound awkward and clumsy, without quality flow, structure, and development. Each to his own!

There is a story told of when Miles Davis went to a club to watch and hear The Buddy Rich Big Band. Miles expressed his surprise at discovering that Buddy wasn't just displaying his astounding chops, but that he was playing parts that set up the song for what the other players were about to play.  That's called ensemble playing, and that's the way the best musicians play. Ginger Baker was not one of the best, whether he was soloing or playing a song. It doesn't bother me that others like his playing, I don't know why it should bother anyone else that I don't!

Regarding being a "professional musician and all", that does not make an opinion any more valid than that of anyone else, including non-musicians, professional or otherwise. I have known non-musicians with far better taste (imo) than many musicians I’ve known. And taste is what we’re talking about here. That, and the lack of it ;-).

bdp - I still might not agree that Ginger’s Toad solo is "miserable" BUT I do appreciate you taking the time to explain why you think it so.
I also value the opinion of working musicians a ton (musicians as distinct from rock start wannabes, as you pointed out in another post). Barring physical hearing damage, seems to me, through practice, y’all have developed much better "auditory discernment" (for lack of a better phrase). Ginger’s cymbals never seemed that bad to me but now I am interested in making that comparison to Levon Helm’s sound.

You’ve repeatedly criticized Cream for a lack of ensemble playing. There is certainly well documented history between Baker and Bruce to support this. BUT I don’t think it tells the full story on them. I can believe there were shows where the civil war was all too evident. Check out the 2005 Royal Albert Hall performances...I think those show a different/better side of that (now much more mature) trio.