Bass and room modes test with music CD


If you are frustrated by playing with a Rat Shack meter and test tones (frequency tones, warbles, pink noise, 1/3 octaves etc.) and never quite sure what you should "fix" or what you should just live with (no room is ever perfect)....then this may be the CD for you.

Rebecca Pidgeon, The Raven, Chesky CD.

What follows is taken from Bob Katz excellent book on Audio Mastering. The track "Spanish Harlem" on this CD, in the key of G, uses the classic 1, 4, 5 progression. Here are the frequencies of the fundamental notes of the bass.

49......62......73
............65..........82.......98
....................73..........93..........110

Check it out.

In the absence of a test CD with real music I spent hours playing with test tones/Rat Shack meter/PEQ... and initially I went overboard with a PEQ trying to fix everytyhing as near flat as I could in the LF. In the end, I did not like the sound when it was equalized flat and went back to a minimal PEQ approach with a few minor adjustments on the worst offending peaks but never crushing the sound into conformance. (trial and error process playing many CD's)

Yesterday I received the above CD and played Spanish Harlem track. WOW - it works. You can easily HEAR immediately how balanced it is. (Real notes on a real instrument seem far easier to balance in your head than test tones...I can't explain why but that was my experience...perhaps it's the harmonics)

I realized that this CD could have saved me an enormous amount of time.....it lets you judge how the room modal bumps, incorrect sub settings and/or placements are actually affecting a real instrument.

Unlike the Rat Shack meter this allows you to gauge the amount of tweaking necessary. For me, a 3 db bump over a 6 Hz interval is much better simply left alone rather than mercilessly PEQ for flat reponse; but a 10 db bump is an audible intrusive problem clearly affecting the balance. In any case, the CD lets one precisely judge the relative effects on music.)

IMHO, PEQ adjustment to get a flat response, whilst easy to do, is far from ideal because it adjusts the primary signal in order to get the combined primary and room modal signal down (the room modal response is the real culprit and, although not always practical, room treatment/design is by far the ideal solution)

...just thought I would share this. Any comments from anyone who faced this issue or perhaps has found another solution or another good test with music CD?
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The spectrum analyser display is 1/6 octave...61 bands.

Excellent - that is the kind of resolution that I believe I need. Does it come with a microphone - do you have any recommendations on set up and mike? I am definitely interested.

In my case I would probably want it to "cut only" from 20 to 95Hz in order to smooth the reponse mildy....does it do this credibly and automatically. I would not want it to cut more than 6 db in any 1/6 octave band. And never more 9 db in 1/3 or broader octave band. Does it just run automatically? Or do you still need to fiddle a lot to get what you desire.

Thanks for your feedback/help.
Thanks for all the feedback.

I indeed tend to run LF slightly heavier than flat and roll off the highs as Warren suggests.

I indeed only reduce bumps and do not believe in boosting nulls with a PEQ (or at least any boost must be extremely modest)

I currently use the Behringer feedback destroyer pro....just for the sub as I am ever nervous about applying EQ to the main speakers (worries over creating phase issues, besides I don't believe in an EQ's ability to fix room modes much above 100 HZ anyway, as that is what room treatments are for, although I agree an EQ can nicely shape the overall sound if you need that...shelving rather than filtering...and I have tone controls also for that).

I could not find much info about the DEQ2496 on line.....does it analyze in 1/6 octave increments or only 1/3 octave bands? (I might be tempted to upgrade as you say it costs very little)

Most of my (very modest/minor) adjustments are in the extreme LF and are around 1/6 of an octave in width (Q). Apart from a 40 Hz broad bump, 1/3 octave seems too broad for my needs....any further comments on DEQ2496 automatic analysis ability in narrow bands?
You seem to have a lot of preconceived ideas about limiting the use of the unit. I bet that once you get one to play around with these ideas will change!

Yeah - if I had my way I would use no EQ at all...LOL....but that ain't practical as tons of acoustic panels are not an option due to WAF factor...

Eldartford...thanks for your advice....I will plan on picking up the next DEQ2496 I find...off to the pro music shop this weekend to see if they have one ;-)