Badly recorded albums needing upgrading


My new music system is in place, fairly well burnt in, and speaker placement and other tweaks are coming along. In the process I’ve been learning how much variation there is in the quality of both CD and vinyl recordings. This range in quality was not apparent on my old equipment.

For example, as I go through my old records, I’ve noticed a couple of favorites that are terribly recorded. A well known sub-par recording, Eric Clapton’s (Derek and the Dominoes) "Layla and Other Love Songs" is virtually not listenable. The Stones "Let It Bleed" I’ve had to replace with a Japaneses SACD as Jagger’s vocals sounded like he recorded them with a garbage can over his head. That SACD does sound considerably better, although the vocals on "Gimme Shelter still sound muffled. After some research on site and elsewhere, I just ordered another Japanese SACD of Layla out of the myriad available, which the reviewers said made Layla at least listenable.

Here’ the obvious problem. Both replacements were expensive as CD’a and records go, and I only want to spend that kind or resources on absolute favorite records. I am filling in the rock and roll and R&B portion of my record and CD collection of artists ranging from the Beatles up through the Sex Pistols. Are there any other well known albums like "Let It Bleed" or "Layla" I should avoid, or might already have, that will need to be purchased or bought again in upgraded formats. I’m not asking about obscure groups, but instead more well known artists like the Dead, Hendrix, Aretha Franklin, anything Motown, Janis Joplin, Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Bowie, Roxy Music, The Clash, Talking Heads, etc.

I’ve also been purchasing a lot of vintage jazz, from Ellington through the Weather Report and would like to avoid bad recordings there too. In the jazz realm I’ve been acquiring economical Redbook CD sets like Bill Evans’ 12 Classic Albums, and most recently Wayne Shorter’s entire Blue Note recordings made with RVG (Rudy Van Gelder ) remasters. What I’ve learned so far I to do when purchasing these sets it to avoid those that are made of re-recorded MP3 files. Those sets don’t advertise they are MP3 file based, so I dig around reviews by purchasers who after after getting bilked, expose these recordings labels on Amazon,com Music . If you’ve any of these classic jazz sets or albums or reissue labels I should be avoiding, please let me know.

For example, I’m currently looking to purchase economical multiple album sets of Billie Holiday’s Commodore, Verve, and Decca recordings and would like to know which sets to avoid or conversely which sets are well done.. I like among others Miles Davis, Coltrane, Lester Young, Mingus, Charlie Parker, John McLaughlin, Art Blakely, Chet Baker, Ella Fitgerald, Gerry Mulligan and the like. Again, not obscure recordings or artists. I’d really like to not get burned on substandard recordings too. Si Iif you could forewarn of any particular recordings, or any reissue labels to avoid, please do. Next year I might start to get more Classical Music recordings, but that’s another ball of wax for another day

Maybe this question is too broad or poorly defined but I’d appreciate any help you could provide to avoid disappointment or throw any more cash in the garbage. Thanks, and I’d be pleased to answer any questions to clarify this rambling post.

Mike
skyscraper

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"the next time you're in the record store..."
Sadly, but I doubt there is a record store like that anywhere near skyscraper. Or many of us.

pjr801,

Both of us are correct.


Talking Heads box set called Brick was eight albums on DualDisc. DVD-Audio on one side and CD layer on the other one.

I have DVD-Audios of Fear Of Music and Remain In Light with two discs each. One DVD-Audio and one CD per jewel case. Those are NOT DualDiscs. It seems that such packaging was released in Europe and not in the U.S.A.

Thanks for reminding me of these differences. I converted those DVD-Audios to file format some years ago so they never see the light of the day anymore.

pjr801,

Now you caught me. I think mine are one CD case with two discs inside (DVD and CD), but am easily wrong about that. I have not pulled them out in many years. I will check it.

skyscraper,

Bruce Springsteen Nebraska is, I think, not the usual Bruce Springsteen sound. Overblown may be the last word to come to one’s mind when talking about it. Try it on youtube, or wherever else, before you buy it. Just in case. If you like it, that record I linked to is of a good quality and reasonable price.


(hint, hint)


https://www.stereophile.com/artdudleylistening/927/index.html


(see the second and third page "A Classic example")

skyscraper,


I apologize for poaching your thread. Just this one thing, please.


geoffkait,


I know about that one, I actually played with it. It is a hard/flash drive based machine. It does play DSD but not SACD as discs. It is a nice little gadget, cute in some way, but actually middle of the pack in the current Walkman hierarchy.

millercarbon,


Does it take a lots of effort, or you are really that way?

What company? Any other detail? I have never noticed anything about it and I have been on alert.

geoffkait,


No, you did not make a boo boo, at least not this time.

skyscraper has a SACD player so buying SACDs would enable him to get full SACD benefit, if there is one, while also having a CD layer.

In your case, it was wise to skip SACDs, unless you did snatch that secret SACD Discman prototype I used to dream about once upon a time.

If you are looking for the early Rolling Stones (up to Let it Bleed), buy those 2002 SACDs and that is it. As geoffkait mentioned, they are relatively cheap (eBay, etc.) but the prices have actually gone up recently. Just make sure you get SACDs and not DSD remasters on CD. Digipak (cardboard) is what you are looking for, not the plastic jewel case. Both will say DSD on the back.

Talking Heads had DVD-Audio (ouch, I mentioned it) of Remain In Light and Fear Of Music. They were as good as they could be, especially taking into consideration the original sound signature of Fear Of Music. Otherwise, buy a good record and be done.

As plaw mentioned, Roxy Music’s Avalon SACD is good, and I would say that all Bob Dylan SACDs from 2003 are a great bet.

If you do listen to Bruce Springsteen, Nebraska from 2014/2015 is strangely good. Really good.

And last, if you are a Procol Harum fan, or even if you are not, their first album on Classic Records re-release from, I believe, 2003 is what you want to buy today. You want the copy with a 7" single of A Whiter Shade Of Pale stereo included. It should have three records in the package. Album, 12" A Whiter Shade Of Pale mono (33 and 45 rpm), and this 7" single. It will not be the cheapest record you have ever bought, but you will like it. The only problem is that you may start considering buying a mono cartridge.



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