Back To Static!


We had a long discussion on the possible causes of static electrical charges on records in another thread. We just had a real good cold snap in New England dropping the humidity to under 20% so I was able to run a set of qualitative experiments documenting some surprising results that I hope will clear up a lot of the mystery and help people contro static charge and the accumulation of dust on their record. 
Static field meters are expensive.  The cheapest one I could find cost $260. I had to find a more sensitive way to measure static as it became apparent that using your own hair is very insensitive. Studying the Triboelectric series I noted that polypropylene is at the opposite end to PVS.  I have polypropylene in the form of suture material, the blue thread that many of you have seen. I tied a length of 6-0 Prolene  to a wood dowel and it worked beautifully. The PVC attracts it like a magnet and the Label repels it. It will pick up very small charges that otherwise go undetected. I can now define four conditions; No charge, Light charge, Charged and Heavily charged. It turns out that completely discharging a record is not easy. The label will actually donate electrons to the vinyl over time reaching an equilibrium point. Totally discharging a record required using a Pro-Ject conductive record brush wired to ground. If I suspend a discharged record (no thread activity) by it's hole within 30 minutes it will develop a slight charge (vinyl attracts the thread, label repels it). This will appear to us as an uncharged record. 
Does playing a record increase the static charge?  Yes absolutely, and the charge is additive. Playing the record over and over again progressively increases the charge from slightly to heavily charged. 
Does how you store the record effect charge? Yes absolutely. Records stored in MoFi antistatic sleeves come out with the baseline small charge. Records stored in paper come out with a noticeably higher charge. These are records that have been totally discharged prior to storage. A record that is charged when you put it away will come out at least as charged even if you are using anti static sleeves. Do conductive sweep arms work? Sort of. If the sweep arm leads the stylus charge will still accumulate. The brush has to track with the stylus. 
Unfortunately, I could not get hold of a Zerostat to test it's effectiveness. Regardless, a charge will accumulate with play.
The single best way to totally discharge a record is a conductive brush wired to ground. Just holding it will not work as well. The impedance of your tissue is in the megaohms. You want a dead short. Even so, a small charge will accumulate over a short period of time. The safest assumption is that there is always a charge on the record attracting dust. So, don't leave records out for any period of time. In regards to the hot topic of dust covers, a properly designed Dust cover does not affect sound quality. If your dust cover does effect sound quality in a negative way then you have a choice between sound quality and dirtier records. Your records, your choice. 
I would love to be able to stage voltages. If in the future I manage to come up with a static field meter I will repeat all of this in a quantitative way. Humidity is a huge factor. Those living in more humid environments have less trouble with static accumulation. I suspect everything occurs in like fashion just the voltages are lower. Lower to the point that they do not need any device to lower the charge?  I don't know. 

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Thanks for you compliment @antinn ,

I’d hope members would look through all my posts to see I’ve been a (try for myself before posting) person.

Your mat postings weren’t reviewed, however, because of your history, you are taken more seriously than I am. I understand this, yet in the end, it all comes down to the end users’ sound. This is where we all meet, and this is ultimately the most important thing.

Look forward to another member here posting thoughts on the MyMat system very soon.

Steve
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@antinn,

Neil, when you engage others, you should act like they are on a similar plane as yourself.

Steve
Is this your way of saying I'm sorry?

Thanks for your post @antinn,

I feel strongly the exact same way in my system.

BTW, my sales with no negative feedback is a statement from those who have tried the MyMat.

Probably 30 happy customers, some who came to me with just a resolution to their static issues.

Steve
Thanks @mijostyn

Definitely time for price increase as stock is to a minimum.

$69.99 each.
What @antinn is doing is relying on the bearing and his clamp (in one system) to give the greatest SQ. That’s the wrong approach

What I’m doing with the MyMat system is decoupling the record from the platter/ bearing. So running a ground from the motor to the phono preamplifier is sufficient.

I hope I’m explaining this sufficiently ?
What may be important to add hear is my belief that connecting back to the mechanical bearing is a no no. This is done by using a spindle clamp. I designed the MyMat in part to avoid this. The MyMat system is designed to decouple from the platter and bearing.

I think @antinn should try my MyMat system.

I’ve been out of selling mode partly because it’s not my favorite thing to do and I’m almost out of final stock.

Just sold two last week, the complete MyMat system. Price increase time?
@mijostyn,

To be clear, I said I grounded the motor, although I did connect the ground to the cover plate on the bottom which is the only area that VPI connected their ground to. If that is run to the platter, I don’t know.
My reason for posting was to show that proper grounding is a big factor to getting static under control, as @antinn  wrote in the link he provided. My mentioning of my use of MyMats was to show that with proper grounding, I'm having no issue using them.

@mijostyn, asked me to try the ESD mat. Why would I want to when I'm getting excellent results?
@mijostyn,

The MyMat was developed for SQ. It is offered in one of it's configurations to allow for the record label’ thickness, which the ESD mat doesn’t. Sounds best without a weight or clamp. With all do respect, I’m very happy.
I recently upgraded my VPI Classic 3 SE with  SOTA Eclipse package. Part of installing it was to run a ground wire directly from the motor to phono preamplifier. Static disappeared. BTW, I use two MyMats.