Bach - Goldberg Variations you favourite

Andante was my favorite label but they couldn’t make it given the production costs while attracting such a limited niche market. The Orfeo d’Or label has produced remasters of some very fine concerts. I am particularly fond of the 1950’s Salzburg Festival performances that were broadcast live over Austrian radio.

I remember the Phillips series fondly for giving us many artists whom the musical world had mostly forgot ( who can forget the legendary performance of Josef Lhevinne playing the Shulz-Evler arrangement of Strauss's Blue Danube ) people like him make it plain that piano technique doesn't  just belong to this century. I also can think of Edwin Fischer whose Bach's Well Tempered Clavier was my constant companion for many many years. Yes that Phillips series was a favourite of mine.

Jim, I don’t mean to sound like I’m criticizing anyone, it’s just that I  never see her name mentioned. Fortunately, there are a lot of good remastered mono recordings of early classical artists. And I realize that seventy year old mono recordings lack the appeal of current stereo recordings but overlooking artists like Haskil, Backhaus, Fischer, Tureck, etc… would really be a shame.
Anyway, in the early 1990’s, Steinway and Phillips remastered and rereleased recordings in a series called ‘Great Pianists of the Twentieth Century’ There is Rosalyn Tureck volume 1 and volume 2 amongst that series and they sound pretty good. Unfortunately they are out of print but with the accessibility of the internet, they could probably be found.

While you say you are the only one who mentions her you are certainly not the only one who thinks of her. She was a definite Bach legend, it's just that a lot of people don't want to play mono below par audio records and before anyone shouts me down we are not all like that.

Rosalyn Tureck was Glenn Gould’s favorite Bach interpreter. I find it hard to understand why I’m the only one who mentions her.

I am far from the piano expert you are Jim , 
that said my favorite Wohltemperierte Klavier is the old mono of Rosalyn Tureck on the 1953 brought out in 2005  by Membran Music Ltd.

Perahia is close .

Sometimes I will listen to what music folks profess to love. What a treat this has been; Goldberg Variations and beyond.

Didn't know Víkingur Ólafsson to well. That's no longer true.

Ivan Moravec playing the Chopin Piano Nocturnes pacifies the soul.

Thanks all.

Vikingur  Olafsson’s Bach recording is incredible. I have been listening to it each morning and cannot get the melodies out of my head. I would love to hear from him a recording of the Goldbergs.
John Dean

@mahgister    Regarding Olaffson I hope you get to listen to at least a couple of Goldberg recordings from him before that time comes.
Regards , Jim.

Thanks Jim204 for this thread.... And thanks for your kind words....

The problem with Richter Cantatas version is that the duration is around 30 hours long.... And i cannot stop.... :)

Even for listening the Goldberg, or the new magician Vikingur Olafsson....

We must petition Olafsson for his Golberg version soon, at least before i die..... :)

@mahgister     What an eloquent thread you have just written and I am with you a hundred percent. Without doubt he was certainly the greatest composer by a wide margin. Beethoven was one of the first pre romantic composers to give his pupils the 48 preludes and fugues to get pupils up to scratch on their technique. Chopin and Liszt also prescribed large doses of Bach for their pupils also.

i Listen to Bach cantatas right now...(Richter)

Bach can gives to us the ability to see that all existence can be viewed simultaneously from on another plane of being and inside of it....

And this power in him is so great that Bach is probably the greatest composer that ever lived, because the others transform us by expressing emotions but Bach transmutate the emotions even before expressing them....The emotions expressed are expressed in their perfect essence...In this way Bach gives to us an organ to perceive ourself anew...

His music is not only beautiful it is nearer from perfection than anything except number theory and projective geometry that seems on par with his works....Just remember that God create the numbers to see how great Bach is really...:)

No other musician was ever so unanimously accepted as father, master, and supremum artist and NEVER challenged by any other one, only admiratively and humbly imitated even by Mozart....

Some interesting question for the human race :

Who will surpass it in the future?

And is it possible?

Is there a limit to human achievement in any field or an unsurpassable peak point in the actual state of the human mind?

Is the moral standpoint make the Arts, especially music, so much different from science in this perspective?

Perhaps the only progress that ever was and that ever will be is the elevation of the moral understanding to the same certitude level than mathematics?

All this is suggested  amazingly by Bach music only mere existence....

For the Nocturnes Arrau is the best, only if you listen his interpretation a short time each time you try it, BUT if you listen the nocturnes one times a day for your life captive on an island i cannot vouch for anything except Moravec.... :)


With Arrau the melody exist in itself.... For Moravec the melody is there only after coming from EACH chord, indirectly so to speak....

Then you listen first each note with Moravec like if only this note was essential and the only one existence in eternity.... with Arrau you listen first the melody....

With Moravec we indeed listen through Chopin own fascination for Bach and we suddenly understand it and why it makes sense and sound....

:)
Any melody can be boring on repetition, but repeating a gong note for example is never boring, the body is too much affected; Moravec playing each note in his eternal necessary color is always new jet flying out in the brain/body.... The melody is a children born out of the love of one chord for another one....

The Nocturnes and the Goldberg are so great because of these absolute mastery of writing the right chords at the right times...Then the melody becomes or show itself no more arbitrary but an eternal evidence....

I have no objection in speaking about Chopin's Nocturnes and I shall throw my hat in the ring and say my favourite's are Arrau first then Moravec and then Barenboim. I chose Arrau because of his piano tone which can be orgiastic at times and I just think he covers it all for me. The only thing for me is no way can I listen to them all in a row the way I can The Goldbergs but a cluster of 4 or 5 is very rewarding.

Hijacking, yes. Why not start a new thread with an appropriate title? You'll get more responses.

Would it be considered a hijack if I asked people to share their favorite versions of Chopin “Nocturnes”? I fell for these with Rubinstein’s version on RCA then moved on to Moravec’s CD reissued Conossiuer Society recordings. Recently bought Maria Joao Pires on DG and like these best of all. 

I think Rana’s account is all encompassing for someone so young. She is certainly going to be one of the greats of this century. If so inclined try her Ravel Miroirs, it is stunning.

Yes Kirkpatrick made astounding Scarlatti 's... Good post.... Thanks

Certainly music than which none is greater.  Try Ralph Kirkpatrick on cembalo.  Archiv 198 020.  Amazing tonal palette on display.

I agree with the near perfection of the Goldberg Variations. I never become tired of hearing them. My favorites would be Dinnerstein, Angela Hewitt, and Beatrice Rana. Also mentioned is Murray Perahia. It was John Atkinson’s favorite in the past. I have heard recently a live concert with Alexandre Tharaud. Excellent. His recorded Goldberg is on the Erato label. I have all including Glenn Gould. His verbal utterances can be a bit distracting to me.
Bach once said, “ The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul.” His opinion only, but one can get a glimpse of that when listening to the Goldbergs.
John

Getting off to a great start and some I have never heard but are food for thought. I had completely forgotten about Perahia  but as great as the interpretation is the recording of the piano has some equalisation  problems that grate with me. The plus side with Perahia is I got to hear him live in Glasgow a few years ago and have to say it was wonderful. 
      On the Harpsicord I admit to liking , Kenneth Gilbert best then Pierre Hantai both versions then Richard Eggar only with minor reservations with the instrument used in which I find some of the notes in chordal writing a bit discordant.

i second Hantai first version.....But do not know Rangell, thanks....

If you are not ruling out harpsichord, Pierre Hantai's first version (on Opus 111) is wonderful. His second recording (on Mirare) is also wonderful, but I prefer the first by a nose, for both sound and performance.

On the piano, Andrew Rangell's recording on Dorian brings an introspective quality I enjoy greatly. Very good sound, too, as was typical of Dorian.

Maybe because my wife plays harpsichord, but as much as I enjoy several piano versions, my favorites are on the original instrument.  I have really grown to admire Richard Egarr's recording of late.

I will only add the only work more perfect than the Golberg is the Art of the fugue, but the Goldberg are expression of pure joy, where the Art is pure contemplation.... 
I only describe my impression without pretending to anything....

:)

Jim204,

Thanks for starting this thread. The Goldbergs are a wonder and a joy. Mahgister's praise was, if anything, understated. Aquinas had five proofs for the existence of a supreme being. If he had lived to hear the Goldbergs, he undoubtedly would have had six.

Jeremy Denk (piano), Murray Perahia (piano), Dimitry Sitkovetsky (strings)

@chayro    Funny you should mention Zenph as that is the version of the 55 Gould that I always listen to. It is so great to hear a stunning Goldberg's without tape hiss and uneven equalisation and a wonderful piano. The only thing I hate about Gould is his version is completely devoid of repeats.

Most of my Classical music is on CDs.Which I enjoy tremendously. 

Gould, Barenboim, Schiff

God sleep good on the 7th day because he listen to his own creature most perfect creation, the Goldberg variations...Projective geometry and prime numbers distributions are the only other contenders for perfection but too much akin to his divine works....Bach is the second son of God and more lucky if i can say without shocking anyone.... 

:)

It is also interesting to own other clavier version than piano....Harpsichord and organ... Zuzana Ruzickova version on harpsichord is exceptional and Walcha too on harpsichord .... And the trio transcripted version of Dmitry Sitkovestky by Sitkovesky.... A pure marvel....

Actually, I like the Glen Gould Zenph re-performance of the 1955 version.  Zenph did such a great job, it a shame they went under.  It's interesting comparing Gould to the Ito Ema version.  Very different approaches to the same piece.

Thanks i dont know any of them.... My best....

I like Simone Dinnerstein's version and Ito Ema's version on vinyl from MA recordings.

@mahgister  Thanks for the tip about Feltsman I shall investigate today.
Best , Jim.

Vladimir Feltsman....Lived in Russia after the crash of the walls...

A stupendous creative interpretation filled with a spirit that is not only virtuoso but much more pure joy....

This Bach Work is a gem among gems by the old master... And i loved all interpretations tough....

I will investigate Dershavina playings Thanks very much for the advice....