B&W design quality observation. Any downside


I just took the baffle off a pair of B&W Concept 90 CM1's from 1991. I wanted to tighten the woofer drivers to the baffle. I was surprised to find the spider for the woofer was cast in 1 piece with the front baffle! Certainly no tightening required.(It confirmed the B&W ethic of good quality to me. The rubberized/elastic seal between baffle and speaker was also in perfect condition. I was left to tighten the tweeters to the baffle and the baffle to the body-which made a very noticeable improvement to the clarity, dynamics and smoothness of the sound
I am impressed by this design; it seems sensible when technically feasible as it absolutely eliminates any chance of loosening from the baffle-which is the bane of ALL speakers where the drive units are affixed to the baffle.
I wonder why some of these so called "ultra high end speakers (Magico, Yg Acoustics) don't use this type of design.
Is there a downside I am not considering?
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Per Bo...."I owned and sold them for many years. It is based on facts."

Bo1972, kindly site the "facts" that the B&W's cannot make a deep soundstage? I would like to read this in writing. If you cannot provide these "facts", then please understand that your conclusion is based merely on your opinion. And as the above poster pointed out, perhaps its based on your inexperience - you simply don't know how to properly set up a pair of B&W's to achieve a deep soundstage.
but if you have "facts", then that is another story. I would love to read about the "facts". Have a nice day.
More Bo'isms or since Bo loves music so much, a few more of Bo's greatest hits.

"I owned and sold them for many years. It is based on facts."

You posted this on 10/16 and I asked you for the facts to prove that B&W's cannot make a deep soundstage. I am still waiting.

"Audio ia about facts, B&W makes there speakers in China."

I got news for you Bo. The science of audio equipment design and engineering is based on facts. How it all comes together and what we eventually hear, is all subjective. But you seem to believe, and this is the scary part, that what you perceive while listening, is a fact. You perceive that B&W's cannot make a deep soundstage, so you proclaim your opinion as "FACT". I guess your the type who would proclaim that world is ending during a total eclipse of the sun too. It is merely your opinion Bo and nothing more.

So in conclusion, either your hearing is so absolute that you are truly the final word in audio and therefore something other than human. Or you have no clue as to the definitions of opinion vs. fact or the subjective vs. objective. I believe it is the latter and suggest you need to go back to school and spend a little less time in audio forums.
I know this is a little deep for you.

Yes, it can be heard and compared. The opinion given by the listener on whether it is wide and deep is perception. Nothing more. It cannot be measured.

So chill out Dude. As I said earlier, the world isn't ending just because there is a full eclipse of the sun.

Have a nice day in your alternate universe.
You are not alone Paul and I believe you are actually in the majority. I think our friend Bo has lost so much credibility here at Audiogon, that most don't even bother to comment anymore.

As amusing as his inability to spell or write a coherent sentence is, that was never what I objected to. It is his almost condescending manner to push his opinions, based on his mere perceptions and nothing more, as absolute fact. And, as you point out, disrespect other contributors of this forum in the process.

His thread asking for comparisons of B&W 800 D series speakers vs. those that he touts isn't exactly going his way either. He rebutted one of my earlier posts by advising he was going to create it and I should follow it closely.

Well I am Bo, I am. And, I rest my case.