I know a lot of people have reliability issues with Prima Luna. I haven't heard it so I can't comment on SQ.
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Curious ... what reliability issues are there with Prima Luna? I have owned Prima Luna Prologue 2 & 5 since 2005 with 0, and I mean 0 issues. I wish I could say that for other brands that I have owned in the last 8 years that just plain crapped out ... Panasonic TV, Pioneer blu-ray, Cambridge Audio cd player, Denon dvd player.
I didn't say that every person that ever bought one broke, just that it can be an issue. I can remember 4 people that told me to stay away from the brand because they had issues with it. I don't remember what the exact problems were. Also, I've read about problems with PL gear on this website more times than I can remember. If you do a search, you can probably find some of the comments is you want more details.
I don't have an axe to grind here. I am a very satisfied PL owner and was curious about the issue comment, as it was not something that I had seen mentioned in print. So, when I do a search for 'Prima Luna' in the archives, for the first 150 results, there is 1 problem spoken about and that is with a few bad KT88 tubes that Upscale replaced. When I search 'Prima Luna problems', the problems spoken about are not PL related. What am I missing?
Zd542, your credibility just flew out the window for me, I will never take seriously anything you write on here again. I own a Primaluna Dialogue One, no issues whatsoever. My brother and several mutual friends zero problems. Many high end products fail miserably too often no matter where they are built.
Does anyone care to comment on the sound differences between these amps? Have any of you heard the Ayon Orion 2? I was just wondering, if you could put your differences aside, and answer my initial questions? Do you guys think that the Ayon sounds better? Does it have better build quality? What is the reason, for the $700.00 price difference between Ayon Orion, and the Prima Luna? Thank you.
"I like the fact that the Ayon is made in Europe, (as opposed to PL, which is assembled in China). Which model will have better build quality?"
My first post tries to give you some insight as to what you can expect regarding your above post. If the choice were mine, I would take anything made in the US over just about anything made in China. It doesn't matter how good the stuff looks, a good portion of it always seems to go bad somehow. That's my honest opinion. If people are offended by it, there's nothing I can do about it.
The $700 difference in price is most likely attributed to the country of assembly or manufacture. But there is no sense getting into a made in China/ made elsewhere discussion given that the PCs we are using to answer your thread are all made in China.
Eight years ago when I purchased my Prima Luna PL2, I wrote an audio review here .
I have never heard the Ayon, so I can not answer your question directly. I can tell you my impressions of the Prima Luna and in eight years, I have never felt the urge to upgrade.
For what it's worth, I had one of the ealier Prima Luna 35-watt KT 88 tube amps for about 5 years and loved it. Very reliable, and I really liked the auto bias feature. I used it alternatively with an Audio Research tube amp with my Verity Audio Parsifal Encores. It had more of the traditional "tube" presentation than the ARC, with lots of "bloom" and sweetness without being overly thick or mushy. The Parsifals seemed to want a little more power than the Prima Luna had on tap, but at reasonable volume levels it was very musical. I wish I still had that amp to try with my Devore 9s, which do much better with lower-powered tubes. I have never heard an Ayon amp but the reviews have all been very positive. This is an interesting thread to me because I am considering both brands right now. I don't know why someone would make the statement that Prima Luna has reliability issues without presenting facts to back it up. "I know a lot of people who have reliability issues with prima luna" is quite a claim to be making without something more solid to back it up. I don't think Upscale Audio would continue to promote and sell these amps if they had reliability issues.
I'll echo Jib222, the Ayon is a very attractive product. My experience was with what was at the time their entry level amp, the Spirit-1. A friend of mine owns it and loves it. It is very musical, very clear, but while it was still in the shop here I heard it drive some difficult speakers very well.
My friend runs the amp with Gold Lion KT88s and Telefunken rib plate 12AU7s. It makes for a sublime little rig. Again, I can't comment on the Prima Luna as I have no experience with it, but I can recommend the Ayon - at least the Austrian ones - without reservation.
FYI regarding my friend's system: Kimber 12TC speaker cables, vintage Audio Magic silver interconnects to a Rega Saturn CD player, and Silverline SR17.5 monitor speakers into which I installed Duelund VSF copper capacitors. It's a nice little rig.
PrimaLuna is the most reliable and easy-to-use tube amp brand. With all due respect to Ayon, I'll stay with Primaluna. The sound quality/character depends on the actual model you are looking at, but I like the fact that PrimaLuna is more on the traditional tube sound camp (like Conrad Johnson), while Ayon is more like modern tube gear (like Audio Research).