avantgarde loudspeakers

Hi all, are Avantgarde loudspeakers (horn design) the best in the world? They are very efficiënt, have excellent microdynamics and terrifying macrodynamics, beautiful instrumental and vocal timbre, truly you-are-there presentation of music, so what else do you want? I've always believe horn designs are outdated because they sound quite coloured and are not capable of giving a believable soundstage. But I could be wrong.
I think their looks could be terrifying too, especially if you had some guests walk into your room and they didn't know they were speakers.

Some people might mistake them for space robots from a 1950's flying saucer movie.
In addition to be incredibly musical, and wonderful loudspeakers, I've actually had WOMEN, that nixxed other large speakers being in my main living area, go WOAH!!! ....those are BEAUTIFUL! Tis TRUE! Never had ANYone that saw them "in person" have a negative thing to say about the way they looked. (I've got RED Duos)
And the SOUND!!!!

Just thought I'd share my own actual personal experience.

Happy Listening!

They are better than most commercial horn designs, and not bad in their own right certainly, but they really they don't hold a candle to state-of-the-art in no-compromise DIY horn speaker designs and implementations. (esp. if factoring in price.)

Ed, you raise a rather controversial if not intriguing idea, that someone building their own horn system can actually build a higher quality horn. If I recall the approximate cost of Ava tgarde trios was around 60k. Can you tell me where I could find parts/plans for a desing that could improve upons them for a fraction of their cost?

AGoon -

Depends on the Fraction. ;-)

For me, the path has led to parts from Bruce Edgar, vintage drivers (RCA, JBL) and modern ones (TAD, fostex tweeters), along with vintage woofers (Altec, EVM) though modern TAD's may work there too (1601C I think...?). I suggest active Xover and multi-amping as the way to go though many also like passive Xover and that is fine too.

The next step up is horns from Sierra-Brooks and maybe more exotic drivers, Field Coils (speakers and drivers), though I have not gotten that far yet, budget or time wise (to find the parts). Many have, however.

Beyond that there is no limit. ALE and Goto spring to mind as the ultimate driver, though you can pay up to $40-60k for one of their bass drivers w/o horn, so that eclipses the AG stuff by a lot, as far as price. but, everything above other than that level (ALE, etc.) is less than the AG's and better sounding to me (and many serious horn afficionados.) Check out some of the wild stuff the Japanese have done in this regard (for many years)... DIY horn systems with Basshorns built into the house, with whole walls of a room being the mouth of the horn...

Myraj - But how long did you keep them around - the women that is. I've got to believe that if they became more permanent fixtures, the Red Duos would have been history.
No....the Avantgarde were the KEEPERS! And the women....well, kept them all at least as friends, and that is as excellent thing, in addition to the good sounds of the Duos!
Happy Listening!
I think it's a little simplistic to say that DIY is a better way to go. For the vast majority of people it is not. You need three things to accomplish DIY successfully: Time (alot of it), knowledge, experience. To think that you just buy some various parts, find a simple DIY diagram, and assemble a SOTA system that can compete with or eclipse many commercial products is silly. If you have the above three criteria met, great, otherwise DIY can be a frustrating and expensive lesson in humility. Then again, it may not. I'm not a gearhead, as you can probably tell. BTW, I would love to have the time to learn to do DIY but have other acitvities that are higher priority (career,family,etc.).
I had both Duos and Trios. Unless you can be pretty far away from them, you hear parts of an instrument coming from different places. Also only with the flexibility of the Trios could you get both good bass and good imaging. I have had the Beauhorn Virtuosos for better than 2 years and love them. They use one driver, the Lowther, and have no crossover. They need help on the bottom, however. They would probably not be considered as pretty as the Avantgardes, but are smaller and cheaper.
I have the current Duos, driven by by my rebuilt Quad IIs, Verdier Control B tube preamp and fronted by a Platine Verdier, Schroeder Model 2 and Allaerts MC1B.
You need to set the AG horns up properly - toe in to focus in front of your listening seat, and adjust the bass roll off and sub woofer volume correctly. Get the Subwoofer wrong and they can sound really unimpressive. Get it right and it just clicks.
I've heard Lowthers in any configurations, but they're not the same. In my previous life, I worked selling HiFi with Ken Kessler, before I became a medic. Like Ken, I like my system to have plenty of dynamics (I'm also a Decca fan) yet have the lucidity of tubes. The AGs are my best ever purchase, even better than my original Garrott Brothers Decca cartridge.
The AGs cost a lot as the horns are machined to very fine tolerances, so not a great DIY prospect.
Agree with tbg and topoxforddoc. I listen to my Duos about 12 ft. to the sweet spot. Listening distances < 8 ft. is not advisable. You need that extra distance for multiple driver integration which becomes seemless causing these large speakers to disappear. The crossover between the midrange and bass unit can be problematic but with careful positioning and adjustment, this can be eliminated.
In terms of being the best, that is obviously a personal judgement. All speakers have compromises, even SOTA designs. Whether you prefer horns,cones,electrostatics,single driver speakers is up to you. As to horns, the AG's do not have any classic horn colorations such as a "cupped hands" sound. Out of the commercially available,full range,> 100dB sensitivity speakers, I liked the AG's the best. I've had them for 2 years and don't regret anything about the purchase. AFAIC, I've found the speakers I plan on keeping. Highly recommended.