Alex, I think you answered your own question. As the salesman had to crank the volume up on the tube amp to get decent output, that tells me the A3’s were underpowered. The rolled off top end would be due to dynamic compression. I’m auditioning the A3’s early next week paired with the new Vitus RI-101 which I recently auditioned with the Magico S3 Mk2’s. That was an excellent match, so the Vitus should also pair well with the A3’s. I’ll let you know my thoughts after my audition.
Auditioned Magico A3 - VERY DARK...
So today after waiting for months to try and listen to the Magico A3, I went to Scott Walker audio at Anaheim and listened to the Magico A3, connected to some VAC Tube amp, being fed from a Sony audio streamer, here are my impressions:
- They look fantastic, I wish they made them in silver too, but they are just great in brush black aluminum
- They're quite small and could fit everywhere
- Fit and finish is impecable
- The bass they generated was nothing but amazing for such a small cabinet, you could hear the drums, the down beats and incredible depth of bass at an amazing level
- Imaging was INSANE, you could literally place everyone and everything...
- Sound was VERY VERY DARK!!! This was a bit of a surprise, the top end lacked for my taste to a quite a degree
- I felt like the combo of the Tube amp and Magico lacked resolution, while bass and mid was great, the top end absolutely lacked resolution
- The sound was extremely laid back, again dark
- It does NEED POWER, like he had to crank the volume up, to get good sound out of this, so be aware of that
Overall, I "personally" did NOT like the sound, it lacked details and resolution at the top end, while it was great at the bottom end. Now, the rep and I think this is mostly due to Tube amp, and connecting it to a solid state amp would bring back resolution, but we simply didn't have time to do that today. I look forward to listen to these at another time with some decent solid-state amp, but as-is, I was NOT as impressed as I expected and wouldn't have purchased one and I strongly believe Tube and Magico A3 do NOT go well together!
Anyone else with similar impressions?! Curious to know what others may think, or maybe there was something else in play?
Thoughts?
- They look fantastic, I wish they made them in silver too, but they are just great in brush black aluminum
- They're quite small and could fit everywhere
- Fit and finish is impecable
- The bass they generated was nothing but amazing for such a small cabinet, you could hear the drums, the down beats and incredible depth of bass at an amazing level
- Imaging was INSANE, you could literally place everyone and everything...
- Sound was VERY VERY DARK!!! This was a bit of a surprise, the top end lacked for my taste to a quite a degree
- I felt like the combo of the Tube amp and Magico lacked resolution, while bass and mid was great, the top end absolutely lacked resolution
- The sound was extremely laid back, again dark
- It does NEED POWER, like he had to crank the volume up, to get good sound out of this, so be aware of that
Overall, I "personally" did NOT like the sound, it lacked details and resolution at the top end, while it was great at the bottom end. Now, the rep and I think this is mostly due to Tube amp, and connecting it to a solid state amp would bring back resolution, but we simply didn't have time to do that today. I look forward to listen to these at another time with some decent solid-state amp, but as-is, I was NOT as impressed as I expected and wouldn't have purchased one and I strongly believe Tube and Magico A3 do NOT go well together!
Anyone else with similar impressions?! Curious to know what others may think, or maybe there was something else in play?
Thoughts?
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Magico's current line of speakers are so transparent, linear and resolving of micro and macro details, that your ears need time to adjust to what they’re hearing. That also means they honestly reflect what’s fed to them via upstream electronics. Rubbish in, rubbish out as they say. In my experience, generally speaking Magico is best paired with warm, tube-like ss amplification or tubed amps with good power & low impedance drive. The best combinations i’ve heard in ss amps are Vitus Signature & Masterpiece series, the new Vitus RI-101 integrated, Boulder 1100 series, Audio Analogue & Audia Flight. In tube or tube hybrid amps, Absolare, CAT & Conrad Johnson ART have known synergy. |
chandybe2 posts07-08-2018 2:44amHi guys, I am considering buying the A3s but I believe they do not support biwiring/biamping - is that a disadvantage? I thought most speakers in this price bracket would have that capability. Could that be why the OP had that impression? ThanksCorrect. The A3’s like most Magico speakers are single wired. That is mainly to avoid potential impedance issues with customers mixing different brands or models of cables for the low & high terminals. Bi-wiring has the potential to slightly improve the sound (providing the crossover is properly setup for bi-wiring). That said, when I sold my Marten Coltrane Alto’s & bought Magico S5 Mk1’s, I sold my Jorma Origo biwire cables & used the funds to buy single wired Jorma Prime sc’s. So you can use the savings to invest in better cables which imho can result in a bigger improvement (than bi-wiring). |
@alexb76 , I don’t think anyone is suggesting your impression of the A3’s from your audition was not candid. And FWIW I for one would not claim Magico are the best speakers ever made. At this level “best” is a subjective term as we all have different ears and personal preferences. Scott Walker is an expert in room setup & usually gets very good sound out of the Magico’s under notoriously difficult show conditions, so I’d rule out room issues. The bottom line is the jury is out as there was insufficient time in your audition to a-b compared a good ss amp. |
@dimora, those Magico speakers must not have been setup optimally. If I were setting up a room at a show with the A3’s, I would use the Vitus RI-101 integrated, Alluxity Media One, Gold Note Mediterraneo tt w/ B-7 ceramic arm + PH-10 phono stage, Taoc CSR series racks, Gigawatt PC-3 SE Evo+ conditioner & PAD Neptune series cables. For room acoustics, I would use Stillpoints Aperture II panels. I promise you that room would have lines out the door. |
@jhills, I don’t thing you need to throw $35-$50k worth of amplification at the A3’s to make them sing. However $10k worth of cables given even a simple system is not over the top imho. Re: amplification, I could name three integrated amps which would have good synergy with the A3’s & would not break the bank. - Audio Analogue Maestro Anniversary which would retail in the US circa $9k - Audia Flight FLS-10 which would retail circa $11k - Accuphase E-470 which is $12kUS The Audio Analogue amp in particular is a peach & punches well above it’s price point. Though in a larger room, the AF amp would be the better choice. Another integrated I recently reviewed, the Vitus RI-101 would also be an excellent choice, though that amp would be on the high side of $15kUS. And as you pointed out, there are probably several tube integrateds which would have good synergy with the A3’s incl: Vac and Octave Audio. |
Fortunately prolonged and repeated efforts by one member to name-drop and passive aggressively belittle the loudspeaker manufacturer that is the subject of this thread do not abrogate the validity of the ears of Magico owners and fans. And there are many of them. Fortuitously many more than the Benedict Arnolds of this world.. |
@ebm Yes Jtgofish owns a Supratek Cabernet 300b preamp. And given that was his second post in this thread insisting his preamp is far superior to the Audio Fliight Strumento No.1, some bias can be implied. As to the member’s claim “The preamp is simply not in the same league and the power amp deserves something better, which is pretty much what EK said when he reviewed them”, all EK eluded to in his review was that he thought the No.4 amp was the star of the show when he said “In fact I’ve reviewed some very heavy hitters well above $50K for our domestic print magazines and the Strumento N° 4 in particular would not be embarrassed by any in terms of either musical merit or construction quality“. EK further noted “Rest assured that these components are truly superb sonic performers built to spectacular standards on par with the very best”, concluding “Here at the Kramer’s ‘Mountain Retreat’ they will be missed. Forza Italia!” Look at his earlier post when he claimed Magico S5’s sound “dark,cold ,small and dull sounding“ with AF Strumento amps, until of course his Supratek Cabernet preamp was inserted, transforming the S5’s into “huge,open,dynamic and vibrant“ sounding. Firstly, I owned S5 Mk1’s and now Mk2’s, and neither speaker sounds “dark, cold ,small and dull sounding“. That is complete rubbish, lol! 😂. The last Supratek Cabernet 300b preamp I saw for sale on Stereonet <1yr ago was going for $3,200AUD in good shape. The AF No.1 linestage is $22,900AUD msrp. The Supratek preamp might be a “bargain”, but there are limits. Supratek is an Australian preamp, so some members on SNA get a bit over-zealous about them. Now I have to back to listening to my “dark and a bit congested” sounding S5 Mk2’s 😆. |
@jtgofish I get what you were trying to convey, though I don’t think your comments about the Strumento No.1 preamp were fair or accurate. As EK himself clearly described, the preamp is in the same league as the No. 4 power amp. I get that tubes do 3D holography/dimensionality well, and offer pleasant 2nd order harmonics, warmth and sweetness. And I get some some folks prefer that. But having auditioned the AF Strumento amps on several occasions, I can attest it is really nice kit and good value imho. So I understand why ebm is stoked. I also think your description of the Magico S5’s sound was inaccurate. To me, the S5 Mk1’s are on the warm side, throw a broad sound stage & are a bit laid back in presentation compared to the Q3’s for example, whilst having more lively bass. Alan Sircom in his review of the S5’s described the top end as "extended, airy treble with absolutely no sense of sharpness or ringing". And the Strumento amps aren’t dark sounding (like the Vitus RI-100), so I don’t see that correlation. But we can agree the Supratek’s presentation would be very different. Better being in the eyes of the beholder. |
@fleschler Few tube amps provide the low
impedance stability to propertly drive Magico’s less efficient models.
Anecdotally Magico has good synergy with the flagship CAT mono’s, CJ Art
300 Anniversary mono’s & the new Absolare Signature hybrid mono’s. I
could also see the bigger VTL mono’s such as the MB-450 Series III used
by @folkfreak and Siegfried Series II being an excellent match.
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"Maybe that’s one reason Magico sounds bad most of the time" - I can’t quite agree with that view. My experience auditioning various Magico speakers over the years has been quite the opposite. That’s not to say every Magico speaker i’ve auditioned has sounded good on a given day. Issues like system synergy and speaker hours have been mitigating factors on a couple of occasions. The best amps i’ve heard for synergy with Magico are Vitus, Boulder (latest series), Absolare & Soulution (latest series). Though I could also see CH Precision pairing well. In fact Magico LLC are now using CH gear in their listening room. Thanks for posting the link to your room. I’ll check that out properly tomorrow if I get a chance. I like the VTL amps. If I ever come across a stonking deal on a pair of 2nd hand Siegfried Series II mono’s & a TL6.5 Series II pre, I could be sorely tempted. |
@folkfreak Yes the VTL’s adjustable damping factor is a cool feature, however according to VTL increasing the damping factor to high settings is a double edged scord as it has a detrimental affect on the sound and also produces a less natural sound. There is no doubt however their flagship models are brilliantly designed. The Siegfried Series II mono’s are just about perfect if you like neutral reference-type amps, though bloody expensive! But as you noted, the MB450 III mono’s have plenty of power to drive your Q3’s being a bit more sensitive than the S5 Mk2’s. |