Audiophile Fuses: Helpful or "Snake Oil"?


Interested in both general and specific opinions/experiences/explanations etc...
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Popcorn time!  

At the end of the day, they're neither and they're both.  
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Forget the popcorn, I just ordered an extra large pizza for this one...let the fun commence!
+ guacamole and chips.
"The capacity of Humans for self delusion is apparently unlimited" - Mr.Spock the Vulcan
Psst! I have a nice bridge for sale!
williampowell, First, you will want to make a list. Put every single one of the posers, er I mean posters above on it. As time goes by and you notice every single thing they post is as useless as what they just did here you will understand why. The greatest use to be made of this site is to know who to ignore. With this list you are off to a great start!

I don’t know about fuses in general. There are way too many out there for me to have tried them all. In fact the only ones I have tried are Synergistic Research Blue and Orange.

Blue are impressively more dynamic and detailed, with a bigger, deeper sound stage, improvements across the board more in line with what you would expect from a $500 power cord than a $150 fuse.

Orange are even better, though instead of the big improvement being dynamics and clarity with Orange it is more sophisticated refinement. Just a whole lot more subtle detail comes through, but in a much more natural way. The vast majority of times something gets more detailed it also gets a bit of an edge. Orange is not like that at all.

Both are directional, and it is easy to hear they sound much better one way vs the other. There will be no doubt, you will hear it.

If you listen. Which is the real reason for the jokey blather above. Lotta audiophiles can’t be bothered to simply go and listen.
Listen to people who post from experience.

Theories can be wrong (see last 12 months).
Snake oil! So our power cords speaker wires etc.
Snake oil! is the audio equivalent of fake news!
Said by those who don't want to face the issue that it's true.

We got rid of one and it'd be nice to get rid of the other.

All the best,
Nonoise
This subject is getting old quick check the other 10 threads even if you don’t a snake.Get Synergistic Orange or Audio Magic Beeswax fuses ASAP!!
One of the most neglected parts of most audiophiles equipment.. YET one of the most important.. That tiny little wire.. Buy the 1.00 usd model. LOL 10,000.00 for the friggin' amp 1.00 for the fuse... 3.00 for the power cord.. OK.. You say so..

The price tag is a joke.. NO KIDDING.. NO reason for the fuse to cost that much.. 10-30.00 is ok... I've found GREAT fuses at 6.50 to 19.00 usd.. I like SRs though.. ACME, Chinese knock offs, there are a few that make a difference.. That goo is a keeper too..

Regards
Helpful if you hear a difference, whatever else if you don't, at least try once and keep same values to originals for safety.

G
Asking about fuses on this forum is akin to putting out a fire with gasoline. The best way to approach this is try one and listen. 
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Don't dis those of us below the  Visine Creed.
Asking about fuses on this forum is akin to putting out a fire with gasoline. The best way to approach this is try one and listen.
The throw it into the fire, as you've just done $150+.

Cheers George
For the price, you can’t go wrong with Furutech fuses...if you can find them. 
williampowell (if still around, this is looking like a drive-by) you might notice no one has offered anything about how a fuse actually could make a difference. I only commented on the sound, not any reason for the sound.

The old school simple EE approach is wire is wire, electricity flows like water through a pipe, doesn't matter if its copper, PVC or ABS it's just a pipe. Resistance to flow is all that matters. In the pipe it's pressure, in the wire it's volts and ohms. They think they got it all nailed down.
But in reality it's not like that at all. In reality there is no flow, but rather a charge that propagates by fields. It's like when they do "the wave" in a stadium. The wave moves all the way around but the people doing the wave hardly move at all.  

Music is electric fields doing the wave, only alternating back and forth very fast and all different amounts. The field is at least as important as the pipe or wire. 

That is why for example there is a little blob of material on every Blue and Orange fuse.

You missed it, I will guarantee everyone missed it, but not me, being sharper than all of you put together I didn't miss it and so here it is:
That goo is a keeper too..

Scroll up and see I am not making this up. Those of us who know, we know. The rest of you, happy to share but you only learn when you're willing to learn. And an awful lot of you seem to be not very interested in learning.
The best formula I found is spend more on a power cord than you do on your amplifier because it’s first in the system. The same goes through for all other components if you spent $5000 on a CD player then spend $5001 for the cord. It only makes logical sense since the cord is in front of the components.
It is pretty much a given that any heavy promoters of fuses (except perhaps in the speaker circuit), have little to no clue how electronics, power supplies, amplifiers, etc. work. Oh sure they can wave their hands a lot, but get into the nitty gritty and they have no clue. That should be a clue.
Its a bunch of bull! Just like raising cables off floor, also bull! A bunch of unnecessary "gabage" to throw your hard earned money at. I guarantee that the difference (which i doubt there is Any) cannot even be measured let alone heard. Some of this stuff mentioned on here is beyond absurd, sorry. Ok I'll go away and leave you to the experts😁
Here is a test for the believers. 
İf you mistakenly think a fuse improves sound, replace all wiring in the amp with fuses. 
Do you see how ridiculous it is ?

 
İf you mistakenly think a fuse improves sound, replace all wiring in the amp with fuses.
Do you see how ridiculous it is ?
That’s a good one, should shut them up!!! (for a little while anyway) Love it.
This is what I pulled on one of them, 
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/the-guru-on-fuses/post?postid=2105778#2105778

Cheers George
so brilliant, so sharp...design your own integrated amp from the ground up...the world awaits......

to the OP, with the liberal return policy offered by some sellers, give it a listen.

I would use the Traffic song - Medicated Goo as a reference track

enjoy your journey and the music.

ego is always free and typically self over estimated...
Fuses are a limiting factor in current flow but as a safety component they are required, so no you would not replace wire with fuses but try to hear if that limiting factor is minimised. If you do then you did fine, otherwise you lost some cash.

G
You missed it, I will guarantee everyone missed it, but not me, being sharper than all of you put together...
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is often sadly amusing.
I wonder what experience in your life has caused you to be this way.
"Look at me!" "Pay attention to me!"
Indeed. Sadly amusing.
millercarbon,

"You missed it, I will guarantee everyone missed it, but not me, being sharper than all of you put together I didn't miss it and so here it is..."

Before taking you up on that guarantee, may I see your credentials?

By the way, you are aware that you are communicating with a very diverse crowd with very diverse careers, knowledge, and skills. Right? You may be sharper than some, but to some of us it is not looking good.

Sincerely,

Sharpie


You mean in part all the people on here who design and build their own amps and pre amps, audio cables, isolation platforms, speakers, room acoustics, etc., many with degrees in their fields of expertise and run successful businesses selling their products?
No way they are sharper than miller about any of it. Because you know, he tinkers and listens! They can’t compete with such cutting edge genius!

It literally just took me 30 seconds to stop laughing.





I hope that you got what you were looking for williampowell.
It seems to me that one should search out a dealer with a Return policy like Music Direct which offers a 60 day Satisfaction guarantee. They sell Hi-Fi tuning fuses. Since you can return them, you have nothing to lose to try them. Then you can subjectively, with an open mind, judge for yourself instead of wasting your time with this forum. 
It's amazing what passes for wit on these forums.
Fancy fuses are efficient wealth transfer devices. Those that promote them want wealth transfer to their benefit. Except for Miller who has an audio oracle halo about his head that never tarnishes.
@williampowell

You’re a smart one! 

Hey guys, did anybody check to see if he posted this question as a diversion? I bet that rascal is over in the speaker section asking a question!

Sharpen your tongues and let’s get over there!
I tried some SR  blues and found they made a difference. Also moved up to orange and liked them better you often see them on 3 for 2 offers. You can get these on 30 day return.

Some folks try them and hear no difference, other folks just rubbish them on theory that it's not explainable or measurable.

If you are at all serious try some. Report back or not.


Does changing a fuse to some fancy one void the warranty?
By the book yes. After that you are free to go.

G
I entered the realm "fusedom" with a fair amount of skepticism.  I finally decided break down the resistance (no pun intended) and ordered a Hifi Tuning Supreme for a power amp I had on hand.  Having (very) low expectations, I fired up the unit, put on a trusted source and was simply blown away.  "Did I REALLY hear what I think I just heard?"  Detail.  Focus.  Hummmmm.  So, it was back and forth.  And, forth and back for the next 30-45 minutes.  As I result, I ordered one for my preamp.  Listened.  Learned.  Then, the source components.  Now, everything but the microwave oven has "high end" fuses installed.
I try to establish the value of an audio upgrade based on the percentage of performance improvements for dollars spent.  A 10% improvement in a $4k amp is worth $400 using my math, for example.  A gain of 10% (or, more) in sound quality for under $100 is money well spent.

The "science" behind high end fuses took me from zero interest to "plausible".  It took an up close and personal experience to get me the rest of the way.  I took the exit at the $100 price point.  Investing more in competent products will, undoubtably, yield even better results.  Just haven't found the motivation yet to do so.  But, I'm sure other who have taken the leap have been amply rewarded. 

Does anyone else look at this as I do? Because there's very very big % profit bucks behind it 

Isn’t it funny how new members with zero or very little posts are drawn straight to fuse threads.

If I were a sceptical kind ’a bloke, heaven forbid!! I would almost believe it’s new membership networking drive by these "SNAKE OIL" fuse companies to shill indirectly with these "SO CALLED" very new members.

DID YOU HEAR ME $150+ FUSE MANUFACTRERS!!!! GIVE IT A REST, WHERE"S YOUR DIGNITY??

Cheers George
The science behind high end fuses .... Oh, you were serious...
williampowell...either you are new to these forums or you are trolling and sitting back laughing your a** off at what you started. There are dozens of threads where fuses have been discussed. Gotta be a troll.
Does anyone else look at this as I do? Because there’s very very big % profit bucks behind it
What’s the markup on your stuff?
Isn’t it funny how new members with zero or very little posts are drawn straight to fuse threads.
Isn’t it funny how some long time members while (wile) away the day, waiting for a fuse thread to start so then can pounce on it like a rabid dingo?
If I were a sceptical kind ’a bloke, heaven forbid!! I would almost believe it’s new membership networking drive by these "SNAKE OIL" fuse companies to shill indirectly with these "SO CALLED" very new members
If I were a skeptical person, I’d think it were a member with an agenda. One founded by losing all his previous arguments on the subject and all he has left is insults and hurt feelings.

All the best,
Nonoise



williampowell...either you are new to these forums or you are trolling and sitting back laughing your a** off at what you started. There are dozens of threads where fuses have been discussed. Gotta be a troll.
More like a networking planting by a snake oil fuse company to bring up + votes for $150 fuses
One post, no discussions, no country, just reeks of a recruitment drive to shill for $150 fuses to me.

(Maybe Trump’s got something to do with it)

Maybe!!

Cheers George


Nicely said @georgehifi !
More like a networking planting by a snake oil fuse company to bring up + votes for $150 fuses
One post, no discussions, no country, just reeks of a recruitment drive to shill for $150 fuses to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMesx-CWbGk

All the best,
Nonoise


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