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It's an good amp. A bit of a dinosaur at this point and way too large and heavy. Also they mount the 6550's horizontally which is never a good idea. Over time as the tubes get loose. The front end is similar to the VT100 MkII and MKII so setting it up is a royal pain. My customer uses this with a Ref5 and a newer REF phono but I don't remember the model number.