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Ditto David12. When I asked, ARC was somewhat tongue-in-cheek about the circuit changes and parts that go into the SE upgrade.
Having said that, I doubt that ARC would charge $5000 to do an SE upgrade to my Ref 150, where the retail price of the tubes (8 KT150s 4 6H30s) being approx. $1800 and the balance (or, $3200) relating to snake oil.
OTOH, all that being said, ARC has at times described certain improvements or new models as "being in another league" or "in a different class" and so forth. That has not been my personal experience in a number of cases (e.g., Ref 3 to Ref 5 (not SE); PH-7 to PH8). Just my opinion.
So I am waiting to read comments from Carey and Oregonpapa.
Hmmmm, well Obfiscation Central were hardly going to leak any other set of percentages were they? when one does the math on the residual $3000 for a handfull of resistors and capacitors, together with a meter or so of silver plated copper wire!!! Or are we being taken full circle back to ' costly proprietary Teflon ' Capacitor Gate once again?
Those ARC technicians must charge more per hour than my Wife's Orthodontist and Gynaecologist put together!
Well, all I can say to you, Tsushimal ... is that ARC, like all businesses, has expensed to meet. Your post reminded me of the old joke where a brain surgeon had to call in a plumber to fix a major leak in his home. When the plumber presented the bill to the brain surgeon, the surgeon looked at the bill, then looked totally shocked at the plumber and said: "Hey pal, I'm a brain surgeon ... and I don't make this kind of money." The plumber looked the surgeon n the eye and said ... "Neither did I when I was a brain surgeon."
Well Oregonpapa! Should your career in stand up comedy not work out, it would appear that you would be a shoe in with customer services over at Obviscation Central.
Should you wish to make yourself really useful, perhaps you might inquire of your 'source' as to list of the componant parts utilized within the SE upgrade service/kit, the total within your basket upon checkout at Mouser may prove most insightful.
03-27-15: Tsushima1If you don't find the SE upgrade is good ROI, then don't do it?? You do have a choice??
Don't tell me my government is imposing another mandate if I don't upgrade, I have to pay a STIFF penalty.
I have two words for ya ... and it ain't Happy Birthday.
Read my comments on the REF-75 SE in the new thread I
started last night. It should be posted sometime today.
In spite of the wishes, hopes and prayers of the trolls,
the naysayers, the miscreants, the envious, the
destructive, those who derive pleasure from sticking pins
into the dreams of others, and the modifiers of Pas-3s
and Dyna 70s, the new SE amps are in another league from
the where ARC has gone before. Too full of exuberance you
say? Find one and judge for yourself.
Oh yes, and one final thought, Tsshimal, as to the
exorbitant fees charged by the Gynecologist you
referenced in your previous post; its important to keep
in mind that probing to previously unexplored depths
requires hazardous pay.
Take care ... and happy listening.
Exactly, Knghifi ... and those who gain their sustenance from sucking the positive air out of every room they enter in life need to be challenged every time they open the door.
And by the way, I've been listening to the new amp for three hours again this morning. All I can say is M.A.G.I.C.
Take care ...
Well I sent my Ref 75 back for the upgrade and just got it back today.. Its been on for two hours and I have to say I really like it much better than before. I used the KT 150 for a couple months before sending in for the upgrade( shh! Don't tell anyone) and I tell you the improvement is substantial. The first thing I notice is how cleaned up the sound is especially in the upper registers. Much more open.. Its funny when you think you're hearing everything and then you find out there was still another veil that could still be removed.. Seems like a slightly increase in tonal richness in the mids as well. Smoother top to bottom, more coherent.. There you have it my initial impression.. I'll keep you posted the night is young.
Thanks for the reports guys. I'm leaning in favor of doing the SE upgrade.
Just concerned that the next bottleneck will turn out to be speakers. Kal said the Ref 150 SE will work magic with the Maggie 3.7i speaakers. But room size (room height and length), room effects and time coherence are a still problems. The DEQX can fix a lot, but not room height and length. The Maggies are 6' tall I think. My room is 7' feet high.
Also, the Maggies are not bass rumblers. May need a sub.
Thanks again guys.
Please keep the comments coming. Your SEs will need time to tome to break in, even the Ref 75 that was upgraded at the factory.
Btw, Carey ... how long did it take ARC to do the turn around the SE upgrade?
I swear to GAWD ... I can't tear myself away either. Had the system warmed up at 7:30 again this morning (Friday) and didn't jump into the shower and get dressed until 3pm. I need help! *lol* The sound stage depth is becoming quite unbelievable. Honestly, I feel blessed to have such a great sounding system to play my jewel collection on.
Love the big Maggies. They remind me of when I had Accustat Fours in my system. On good nights with the lights out, and a small fire flickering in the fireplace, the back wall seemed to just fall down and the depth went on forever. They needed a TON of power, but man, those babies could play.