Atmos: Non Ceiling Speakers


  I visit the HT Forum infrequently but I have never seen an Atmos discussion.  Pardon me if I am covering well tread ground here...
   Manufacturers such as KEF and PSB are now releasing Atmos speakers that are meant to be placed on top of floor standers and aimed at the ceiling.  This eliminates the obvious obstacle of having to cut holes in your ceiling
to mount ceiling speakers.
  Are there any Atmos enthusiasts out there?  Any thoughts or experience with speakers such as these?
mahler123
ATMOS execution could never be recreated without ceiling speakers.ignore such manufacture tomfoolery.

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I guess if they figured if they could get away with selling the "soundbar", concocting something like an up-firing speaker could fool the public into thinking they could do ATMOS without a true ceiling speaker.

Build it and they will buy it.
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You can find some interesting discussions on gearslutz from the people producing the atmos content. Summary is height/ceiling speakers are not that useful. They can create some special effects like the PA announcement in malls.
  Thanks, coli.  It sounds like there are better uses for the gear budget
I just got a Onkyo TX-NR838 receiver last month for $500 A $TEAL!
It has just about every new feature anyone could possibly ask for (HDMI 2.0, Dolby Atmos THX etc.).
At present I have it set up as a 5.1 system & it sounds fantastic driving my all Eggleston Works speakers.
For about $130 I can add a pair of the Onkyo SKH-410 Dolby Atmos speakers.
My main concern is that my family room has 15' cathedral ceilings & I am not sure where or how to place the Atmos speakers for optimum sound effect.
Anyone out there have the same situation and a solution?

I tell u what, speaker placement is always going to affect relative sound quality vs seating locations and overall room layout and associated acoustics. Still, to be true, probably less sound coming from these "filler" speakers, so not as critical to overall performance wise, as compared to mains, say.  And, yet, I think following the general guidelines for these speakers, as per dolby.com website is going  get you in ball park, and then take care in following aiming guidelines, either ceiling reflecting or above and to sides for ceiling speakers, pointing down in between/towards seating locations.  But as I said, beyond the theory of dictated recommended locations, still, placing speakers in poor sonic locations, WILL degrade the response and tonality propagated from the loudspeaker and, ideally, will not sound as good an accurate as it should (try cupping hands around mouth and speaking, or placing speakers in holes in response, in corners for too much bass, etc, and understand this. -MANDATORY EQ CIRCUIT, REGARDLESS!). But, again, no full range sounds from these atmos speakers, but rather limited filler info and steering ques and so forth, likely.
Always going to be compromises, and less than idea choices will exist.
Trial and error and isolating one single speaker probably always  the best option if you CARE about what kind of sound is coming from EA loudspeaker!   MOST people do not take that kind of care, so then simply follow dolby.com for atmos fer your config, and then maybe move em around and listen and see how well they envelope, don't distract or draw too much attention and are hard to locate. 
Actually, I have hard time believing most will go through hassle of running so many speakers all around the room! Probably overkill anway. I mean I guess you could put hundred speakers all around the room, and EQ every channel!  Then again, where does it all end, I say.  Quality of placement and setup first.  Then maybe add a pair and experiment.
Sounds reasonable and common sensical.  That is a rare thing in audiophilia
I'd probably default, yeah, to integrated atmos speakers ontop of other speakers, for convenience, if I HAD to have that, over putting lots of speakers up on ceiling, unless it was an all out dedicated theater!?  Few have that, nor makes sense to wire speakers everywhere. I think there's plenty of envelopment, myself, with 7.1, personally!
Also, I have been a long time advocate of placing front mains up higher towards the ceiling, say 2 or 3 feet off ceilng- opposite of 2 to 3 feet off floor for monitors or floor standers -  just like what you 'd experience in a commercial cinema, for presence and envelopement!  Works excellent!  something to consider and play with. 95% of everyone is going to keep em down low, like for typical music setup, though.  For dedicated move setup, I won't hesitate to do the oppposite, and just work on getting excellent sound from ea speaker location from seating. 
Still, regardless, I want best sound first, then more sound sources as a priority further down the list.  And, in the end, everyone has different gear and setup anway.  Which ones are correct setup, correct equipment, best results???  It's all up to personal opinion and situational by enlarge