Atma-Sphere MP1 with single-ended inputs and outputs? Adapters OK?


I had the opportunity to hear an end-game system (for me) that was fronted by an Atma-Sphere MP1 preamp and their Novacrons.  I was blown away by the overall sound, and am highly considering starting purchases toward that system for myself, but had the following questions I'm hoping someone could answer.

In short, the purchase path for me is likely going to last 18-36 months, given the costs of the various components and speakers, so I'm going to have to be living with "hybrid" systems for that time period while I spread the purchases out.

My current weakest link is my pre-amp (although it's not weak, but...).  If I start with the MP1, both my source material (VPI Classic turntable) and amps (Thoress 845 SET monos) are single-ended.  I'm sure I could get an appropriate balanced output for the VPI (I think?) and my DAC already has balanced out (which is my only other source), but what loss in sound quality will I experience adapting for singled ended RCA connections out from the MP-1 to my SET monos?  My current set-up has short (1.5M) runs, so the length of cable won't be an issue for me in single-ended.  But will using something like adapters or the tape outs on the MP1 negate any sonic benefits of the MP1 I might otherwise be getting for the time period I'll be using single-ended amps?  BTW, I LOVE the Thoress 845 amps, so they will likely be the last part of the chain I will consider replacing, and I may choose to keep them in the end-game system depending on the synergy.

Thoughts or experience with the MP1 and single-ended output?
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Ralph, may I order your adapters directly from you?  I couldn't see how to order on your site directly.  I'd like to try the adapters first, then I'll consider sending you the pre for modifications.

Thank you very much for your help.
I'm specifically asking about using them with SET amps that only have RCA/SE connections.
Charles, do you remember how you connected it?  Did he have adapters or did his have SE outs?
Agreed..."tape output" is full signal (no attenuation)...I misspoke there.  Also good advice to contact Ralph...I know he's quite active here as well.

i had forgotten about this thread.  Sorry I never responded back to my own original post once I got further in my own search.

 

In the end I tried a number of different solutions.  Adapters seemed to be less than ideal for me on a number of different single-ended amps, including the Atma amps I had that also had single ended inputs.  I tried a few different pairs from some decent brands.  Balanced out and in from the Atma gear were great.  All the adapters, if I recall, seemed to collapse the sound stage and ultimately seemed to be a poor solution for the quality of the rest of the gear, including the MP-1.  There was also a bit of noise that was inconsistent with the amps fed from other (unbalanced) pre-amps I owned.

 

I sent the MP-1 in for service (for a different reason) and while there I had Ralph install some single-ended outputs which included a switch.  I will admit when I got it back I didn't totally understand what the switch did because in either position there was the same level single-ended output (it also didn't appear to cut off the balanced output).  I didn't have the greatest luck with single-ended connections out of these outputs either, again with a pretty large number of amps I tried, and with the switch in either position.  Similar issues, but maybe even more noise than with the adapters, or at least as much.  I remember being pretty dissatisfied overall.  Impedance issues between the pre and the amps?  I don't know, but that's what my un-educated brain concluded.

 

Later settling on some fairly high-end SET amps, I got a bit desperate and through research took a long-stretch last chance on an Art Accessories Clean Box Pro.  This was WAY outside of what I was going for but somewhere I had read that they were very effective even in some pretty serious systems, wall wart powered and all.  In an ultimate irony I had $1K balanced cables going to $1K RCA cables with a $79 converter box sandwiched in the middle.  Ironically enough, the whole setup sounded pretty amazing, low noise and much better sounding than I had reached with the MP-1 and these unbalanced amps, and I ran with that configuration for probably 18 months.

 

 

In the end I bailed on the Atma- pre-amp once I had found another that worked better for me, knowing I wasn't going back to balanced amps again.

 

Worth a $79 try if you're in the boat I was in...just return it if it doesn't work.

I appreciate all the feedback.

I tried it with 3-4 SET amps actually with unfortunately the same results in each...never had the impact that the all Atma- in balanced provided when being driven single-ended from the MP-1.  Perhaps it was just something with mine if others are having better luck.

I sold my Atma gear last year as the amps were more power than I needed and I found a really strong preamp that complimented the SET amps straight away.