Why are you considering them if you doubt the quality?
In any case there is an extended in home audition period so you can return if they don’t work out for just shipping cost I believe.
I’ve owned various OHm speakers among others since 1978 and currently run 3 pair in different rooms along with three other brands in 3 other rooms. The Ohms are unique and the ones I spend the most time listening to by far so call me a fan.
Lots of info in threads here and elsewhere but if any questions ask away.
Which models of Ohm's do you have? I hear a lot of good things about the older models. It's the new models that I have some concern about but only for lack of reviews. Maybe it's because they don't pay for advertising.
Currently I have 2 Walsh models one generation older than the current line. Refurbed Walsh 2 cabinets with 100 8" driver and refurbed Ohm F cabinets with 5 12" driver. Also my original Ohm Ls that I uograded myself. 1000s are latest and greatest with new cabinets and slightly smaller than my smaller pair. Larger models do more bass in larger rooms if needed.
The newer Walsh models are much refined from the originals first sold in the early 80s. I compared new versus old walsh 2s with 8" drivers both side by side before trading in my old pair towards my current larger pair.
I just got a pair of Ohm 1000s delivered about 2 weeks ago. I'm very pleased with them. While I'm still experimenting a bit with the final placement, I've already made the decision to keep them. No need for any more of the 120 day trial period.
Are they "audiophile"? I don't know as I don't use that word. It is a meaningless term in my book due to the baggage attached to it. However, I do find the Ohms very natural sounding when playing well recorded, un-processed, un-amplified voices and instruments. One of my favorite features so far is the enormous sweet spot. One can move around the room and maintain a stable image -- just like with live music. It is nice being freed from the small "head in the vice" sweet spot many other speakers have.
My Ohm Walsh Tall 2000's are just over 2 weeks old and I absolutely love them. The sound is unique in it's presentation compared to any other speaker I have heard. Speakers typically try to reproduce the music. The Ohm's just present them in a live-like soundstage. The mids and highs are natural yet they are not fatiguing to listen to. These speakers do very well with all types of music, in particular jazz and female vocals.
I have a few more months before this trial period is up, yet I have no plans to send these back. Good thing, because it would have been a real pain to pack these up and ship back!
Ohm speakers have been in business since the late 1960's. My brother had a pair of Model Fs. What speakers are you using now? What do you want out of your speakers? I think you will not be disappointed. I own a pair of 3000.
I am considering a pair of current model 2000. Mostly positive reviews. However, found one thread where a few people seem to think the quality is no where near what it was 15+ years ago, especially the quality of drivers. I keep my systems for 15-10 years, and plan to not have any upgrades during that time. Quality and long term reliability is important to me. Any comments from those having both new and old systems? I would prefer to buy new models for cosmetic purposes. Older ones look too bulky for my taste and my room. So, would rather have new than buy and upgrade older model.
Why not order a pair as they offer a very generous 120 day in home trial? I would also recommend that you call over there and get their recommendation on model. You might not need the 2000 if your room is smaller.
I would love to get a pair of the MicroWalsh's for a secondary system myself. I visited the Ohm factory last year and their speakers are massive fun to listen to. John and Evan are good guys to boot.
Thanks Joe, I did get to listen to them at someone else's place. Liked them. The only reservation I have is the quality comments I mentioned. Cannot make much out of that. I know parts and materials have changed over the years. Many things are made lighter, but that does not necessarily mean worse quality. That is why I am looking for more educated comments about the built quality and driver/electronics quality.
IMO the Ohm Walsh are truly a case of the whole being greater than the parts. It’s something I had to get over. I had some old, pretty beat up PRO 200's I picked up used. Every time I listened... there was so much I liked that I wondered what new ones would sound like. Eventually I bought some 5000's
They are an excellent performing speaker for the money. I really, really like my 5000’s.
Are they built as well as my previous DynAudio Contour 60’s - no. The Dyn’s fit and finish were perfect, the components used are all top looking quality etc.
You can tell the OHM’s are built by hand, the veneers are nice looking, but the fit and finish isn’t a 10/10 (say like Salk, who is probably a 12/10). They are in the 8/10 range. If they are in stock, they ship quick. If not, it might be a bit of a wait... or even a bit longer.
When you go online and look for pictures of the drivers and tweeters, you see all sorts of variations, you can’t go based on that.
If you get inside the cans, you can tell they were handbuilt. The tweeters are good quality but not the high priced stuff, the drivers are many times paper cones (which I actually like and feel sound natural, - JBL still uses them also).
But my lord, set-up right - they perform and perform well. They sound bigger than they are, they can take oodles of power, they play cleanly. If you like that live big sound they do it.
They do detail well, they are not bright. They might not be the utmost on perfect image placement but they are good.
But they are fun to listen to. John and Evan are good to deal with also.
I agree with dep14 -- my Ohm 1000s have just an absolutely wonderful balance of characteristics that make listening to music a wonderful experience. They make it easy to focus on and enjoy the musical performance instead of the equipment.
I'll throw in my two cents on the fit and finish -- my speakers, which were delivered in September 2018, are very good. I have no complaints about the veneering, stain or finish quality. They are much better than the Ohm 200s I auditioned some 15 years ago. The finish quality of those was rather so-so. It appears that Ohm has upped their game in this department.
I am seriously considering a pair of Ohm Walsh speakers. I have seen reviews for the 2000's, which have been over the top positive. I currently use a pair of B&W 802D. Should I go with the 2000's or 3000's to be comparable?
I can't speak for the latest Ohm speakers, but if they are anything like the older ones, I would not hesitate to buy them. Last year I bought a pair of Ohm Walsh 2 locally for $250 from a gentlemen that bought them new in the 1980's. I never owned a pair of Ohm before, but I was blown away by their sound. In my opinion the imaging is similar to the Magnepan 1.6 or Martin Logan Aerius that I previously owned, but you are not confined to a small sweet spot and you can move anywhere in the room and they sound the same. They are great for jazz and acoustic instruments, and make them sound like they are in the room with you. Also they seem easy to drive. Of course because they are small, they don't have a lot of bass, so I would not use them for Rock music. and because they are old, I'm sure they could use a refresh (new caps etc.). But taking them just as they are, to me they are excellent speakers.
The latest OHMs are 3 generations of product newer than Original Walsh 2’s from the 80s.
I had original Walsh 2s I owned since ~ 1982 versus gen 3 similar Ohms from 2008 I a/b compared before upgrading. The 2008 model was much more refined and detailed than the originals, so I replaced the originals with the newer model.
There is a calculator on the Ohm site to determine best model per room size. You can also always call or email Ohm and provide the info to get guidance. Be assured this company will not steer you to anything more than what you need.
I'm still working on getting the most out of some new Ohm Walsh 3000 Tall... All I can say is if you are sitting relatively close to them the 3000's are too big... the 2000's would probably work better for my room.
I plan on getting a room correcting DSP because my room is just terrible with all kinds of reflections. Also, the bass is good if these are against the walls. I use a subwoofer though so I am going to split the bass with a miniDSP at somewhere between 80 and 120 HZ.
I'm still surprised that I prefer my old much cheaper ELAC Debut 2.0 F6.2 for a lot of songs. I think my lesson is that in a room that handles reflections well, the Ohm Walsh are probably better. Otherwise, a pair of very directional speakers can work miracles with weird room size like I have.
If you took any two channel speakers and pointed their drivers down toward the floor, would you not in effect fill the room with music without being able to point to the source, blind folded, so to speak?
Stringreen (a year ago), a friend had the early Ohm A's, in 1972. It was the most clear-sounding speaker I had ever heard. It was about as big as a small refrigerator, each. Then Ohm held a world premier event of that first Walsh speaker, not too far from my home.
After hearing my friend's A's, I wanted an Ohm A someday for its sound and because its operating theory makes sense. No crossovers, time accurate. I wound up settling for the Ohm F, a more affordable and more practical Walsh speaker. Still have Ohm Walsh speakers today, after several upgrades.
I had a set of Ohm Fs back in 1975 and still remember their magical ability to set an absolutely crystalline image that hung in space. I currently have a set of Ohm 1000s, purchased about 2 years ago, that are excellent, though not quite as magical as my memories of the Fs. However, I'm not sure how much of that is due to my naive impressionability 45 years ago versus my current more experienced self (and certainly aged hearing....)
As for quality, my Ohm 1000s are nicely built and well finished, and have worked superbly with no issues for the past two years.
Hello, Does anyone near Sacramento, CA have current production Ohm speakers that I could audition briefly? Being on the opposite coast from Ohm makes returning a pair expensive on top of the $50 initial shipping charge. Thank you.
Ohm has a long audition period so you can really hear their performance over days, weeks, and a few months. In my experience, the sound is great right out of the box, but seems noticeably to improve the more you play them. Up to a point, perhaps a few weeks, where the sound settles down and just sounds even better. It took me a month or more because I didn't listen very often.
I'll bet that Ohm knows from experience, very likely you won't be dissatisfied, so won't need to send back.
The current production Ohm Walsh speakers are also great for home theater audiences. You can hear the imaging across a wide sitting area so that many viewers can enjoy the spread of sound across and beyond the video screen. Even better for gamers too. And, I don't even need a center channel speaker, although Ohm makes those too.
I believe that adding a center speaker will improve what I hear beyond what I already hear for movie dialog. The problem is lack of space for placement in my current arrangement.
You can understand from this review: https://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/ why OW never went back to them. Almost the entire review is spent on troubleshooting problems. I can also only assume that no JA measurements published means they were unfavorable and dropped.
Much like Magnepan, these unorthodox speaker designs need a unorthodox way to measure quality.
Since most of the bandwidth from OW relies on reflection from your walls, I wonder about how much sound quality is degraded. Stucco vs wallpaper vs crown molding... Curious, has any one compared direct to ear SQ vs SQ after one wall reflection?
Regarding power needs for the Ohms, the question is how loud do you listen?
I'm currently running my Ohm 1000s with a Schiit Aegir amp which is 20 watts/ch at 8 ohms and 40 watts at 4 ohms. (The Ohm 1000s and bigger are 6 ohm speakers.) I am really enjoying this setup -- my prior amp was a Hypex with 150 watts/ch at 8 ohms (and a Bel Canto C5i prior to that) and I like the sound with the Aegir better. HOWEVER, my average max listening level is 85 dB. When I got the Aegir, I actually hooked up a meter to monitor the amp's output while I listened. I use about a quarter of the Aegir's power with peaks going to about half, with no sign of strain.
The catch is, if I listened more loudly, say 90 dB or higher, then I would quickly run out of power. So, if you want to listen at anything near 90 dB or higher, you are going to want an amp with much higher power that also has good current delivery.
I run my ohm100s (8”driver in refurbed Walsh 2 cabinets) off 60 w/ch 8 ohm Bel Canto c5i. Drives them to modest listening volume on a large family room up to upper 80s db which is a decent and safe volume but you probably need more to go louder. Some use Ohms with active crossover and subwoofer. That can get you up there done right.
I threw the kitchen sink at my larger Ohm 5s (12” driver in large refurbed Ohm F cabinets) and that setup is the bomb at any volume. Bel Canto ref1000m monoblocks, 500 w/ch 8 ohm.
Like most the larger Ohms tend to be more efficient and will go the extra mile compared to smaller.
I have a larger main living area that opens to the kitchen and up to a catwalk above for the upper level. Evan said I need a 4000 for this space. I ordered them new without ever hearing them. Three month wait. Should be here in April. Who cares, it's only money.
I spent the money on these because I never sit when I listen to music. I move around. I also listen to a lot of live recordings, and loudly.
I have not settled on my electronics yet. Perhaps @mapman can help me out. I have needs for a setup that is family friendly, so a pre and amp with 12v triggers is intriguing. But, I really think it would be fun to put a PrimaLuna preamp with a solid state amplifier on it. Is a tube pre on these new 4000s a good idea or should I stick with solid state all the way?
I think OP is right to wonder about the power requirements - Ohm told me to go big. Class D for the 4000s? Or AB? I've been considering Peachtree amp500, or a Rotel RB-1582 MKII, or a Musical Fidelity M6s, or a Parasound A21+. In all cases I'm at 200wpc minimum per Evan and John's advice. But would 500 watts be too much? Are my kids going to blow these speakers up? Would a Rotel RC-1590 preamp with that Rotel 1582 amp be too harsh in the upper end, or would a tube pre soften things up in a good way? I'm not afraid to use tone controls.
I've also considered Nord Acoustics class D amps. For some reason I'm afraid of class D?
These are the questions literally keeping me up at night. Nerd alert.
Tube preamp works great. Just make sure amp input impedance is 40-60kohm or higher for minimal distortion and best results. 200w/ch into 8ohm is good. 500 will only push things further. My setup with larger Ohms is Audio Research sp16 tube pre to Bel Canto ref1000m Class D amps 500 w/ch into 8 ohm doubling power into 4. Doubling power into 4 ohms is another desirable amp attribute for best performance with larger Ohms.
No reason to fear Class D. Good ones sound great these days and Ohms love it. More bang for the buck and more efficient/cost effective/compact and easy to deal with. God Bless technology and innovation!