Are our 'test' records adequate?


Most of us have some favourite records with which to check the health of our systems, or to assess a new component within our systems.
These records are often carried with us whenever we wish to assess a completely foreign system in a different environment. I have my favourite ‘test’ records, some of which I continue to use even after 30 years. I know them (or parts of them), so intimately that I feel confident in my ability to assess a component or complete system after just one listen.
I know other audiophiles who have specialised their ‘test’ records to such an extent that they have different discs to evaluate for Voice, Bass, Large Orchestral, Chamber, Piano, Strings, Drums, Jazz, Rock.
Almost invariably, these vinyl discs are superbly recorded and sound stunning, not just on very fine systems, but also on average systems.
Of course, because each of us knows his own discs so intimately, it is possible to assess the 'omissions'in a foreign system by memory, often to the puzzlement of those to whom the discs are not so well known and to whom the sound had been thoroughly satisfying and impressive?
But I have begun to wonder recently, if this is in fact the most reliable method of evaluating components and systems?
I am sure most of us have heard records on our systems which are almost unlistenable or certainly unpleasant and we have simply placed these discs in the 'never to played' shelf of our storage unit?
But perhaps some of these records might be more revealing than our fabulously recorded 'test' material?
For some time I have been disturbed by two records in my collection, which despite their fame, have sounded poorly (in various parts) despite improvements to my turntable, speakers, amplifiers and cartridges.

Harvest by Neil Young on Reprise (7599-27239-1) has some nicely recorded tracks (Out On The Weekend, Harvest, Heart Of Gold) as well as 2 tracks (Alabama, Words), which have confounded me with their leaness, lack of real bass, vocal distortion and complete lack of depth. The album was recorded at four different venues with three different Producers and those two tracks share the same Producers and venues.
After mounting a Continuum Copperhead arm as well as a DaVinci 12" Grandezza on my Raven AC-3 and carefully setting arm/cartridge geometries with the supplied Wally Tractor and Feikert disc protractor, I was actually able to listen to these tracks without flinching, and could now clearly ascertain the 'out-of-key' harmonies of Stephen Stills together with the clearly over-dubbed lead guitar boosted above the general sound level on the right channel and the completely flat soundstage.

Respighi Pines of Rome (Reiner on the Classic Records re-issue of the RCA LSC-2436) had always brought my wife storming down the hallway at the 'screeching' Finale whilst I scrambled for the volume control to save my bleeding ears.
Again with the two stellar arms and strict geometry, the 117 musicians could not hide the shrill, thin and overloaded recording levels of the horns (particularly the trumpets).
But the wife stayed away and my volume level remained unchanged.

My wonderfully recorded 'test' records had sounded just fine with my previous Hadcock arm but it's only now, when two 'horror' discs can be appreciated, that I truly believe my system 'sings'.
Perhaps we could re-listen to some 'horror' discs in our collection and, with some adjustments to our set-up, make them, if not enjoyable, at least listenable?
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Dear Halcro, the 'adequate' refers to me to two categorys:
the technical test LP's and the 'musical' one. The first one are never 'adequate' but provide for 'initial conditions'.Ie to start with. The musical will depend on our preferences in (co)relation to our tastes. My are piano solo: Benedetti Michelangeli, Chopin, DGG; Lazar Berman, Prokofieff, Sonate nr.88. Vocalist: Callas,Norma,EMI; Fischer Dieskau,Schubert ,Lieder ,Volume III, DGG.
Regards,

Dear Nandric,
Can you be more specific in what these recordings show you and why they are a good test?
Dear Halcro, Your 'nacked TT' contribution contains philosophical, literary and scientific aspects. So you are
a very complex person to me. My approach is pure emotional
or subjective. When I listen to Dietrich 'Winterreise' I
get tears in my eyes. So my 'test'Lp's are those that are
emotionaly dear to me. To put it in a strange way I expect
from my speakers to 'pass on' this feeling to me. Michelangeli and Berman are my favourite but there is no
speaker capable to reproduce the dynamics of a concert piano. Like Pryso I don't care much about the lowest octave
(40 Hz will do) but to my mind there is something wrong between 100 and 200 Hz. and not so much below 100Hz. I am not a technical guy but I hope that this make some sence.
I also hope that you can see the difference between us. From your contribution everyone can profit, assuming that your experiment is 'repitable' for others while I don't
believe that my 'contribution' will be more then possible recognition by some.
Regards,

Regards,
I understand you Nandric and appreciate your point.
I too get emotional support from my music and I am particularly attached to The Beatles and their music so when an album of their's becomes more unlistenable the better my equipment becomes, I get fairly depressed.
The White Album is, like most of their music, original and inspiring but if you can listen to side 3 (e.g. " Birthday", Yer Blues, Everybody's Got Something To Hide, Helter Skelter) through your belt-drive turntable, modern arm and LOMC cartridge) with the volume turned up, and not cringe in pain but smile, then you've done something right.
Personally I can't.........but on a vintage DD turntable like my 'nude' TT-81 with vintage arms and vintage MM cartridges, I can smile.....broadly.
A good test for those who can take the honest truth?
Dear Halcro,There is this,say,'technical capacity' wich allow some to 'translate' their musical preferences in
technical conditions that the speakers,etc 'gear'should satisfy in order to get satisfactory results. Such persons
are, say, ex post able to explain in technical terms what
their experience was. This is what I meant with your 'scientific' part of your impressive 'nacked story'.
The amateurs on the other hand depend on their 'feelings',
'íntuition', etc. and have consequently problems with
'explanation' of their experience. So I was very reluctant
to describe the 'why' of my 4 'test' LP's. Regarding Fischer -Dieskau. His phrasing,diction and recitation causes emotional as well as intellectual admiration. Callas on the other hand 'causes' astonishment with the beauty and the 'force' of her voice. Both 'translate' in specific requirements for the mid/ tweeter units in the speaker.So the only way for a amateur is the comparition of as many speakers as possible. While 'sound memory' seems to be very short those 'dear LP's' are so familiar that one somehow knows what is he looking for. In my case,
'rational' financial limits included, I reduced my choice
to 3 speakers: Avanti III, Caldera II (Audio physic) and
Usher BE-20. The Usher won because of those 'exotic' mid/
tweeter units but the 'rational' financial limits were
shamelessly violated(sorry kids).
Regards,
Another ‘fine’ track to test your system is found on George Harrison’s ‘All Things Must Pass’ box set.
For my money….two of these three discs contain some of his best music. The third disc (side 5 & 6)…..I simply don’t bother with :-(
George partnered with Phil Spector in producing this grand project…..and on side 1 (first disc)……the track 'Wah Wah'…..is a symphony of everything Spector is known for.
A wall of sound….yet a soundstage so shallow that you can walk behind it?
So congested that you wish you could squeeze in some Ventilin….and so thin in frequency response…you wish you could feed it!

If you can get this track to sound ‘listenable’ on your turntable/arm/cartridge……your system will soar on your best albums?
Most are still using their best recorded albums to evaluate systems (see what Fremer and Valin take to Audio Shows)…..but with 2 turntables, 6 arms and 30 cartridges…..I can attest to the fact that it’s the ‘poor’ recordings which most easily sort the chaff from the wheat?
The reason for this I believe is the fact that in the recording studio listening to the Master Tape…..the headroom, lack of arm/cartridge distortion and overall transparency of the source material….leads the engineers and producers to ‘hear’ the recording differently to the end product on vinyl?
I am referring here only to ‘first generation’ cuts from Master Tapes.
3rd, 4th and 5th generation cheaply produced re-issues are not part of this assessment process.
And even really poorly mixed and mastered albums are not worth bothering with.
But all the tracks I mention in this Thread are from generally well produced albums and thus ‘stand out’ as worthy of interest?

If one can ‘master’ the reproduction of these ‘torture tracks’ on one’s system…..I can almost guarantee an overall improvement to the well-recorded ones.

Has anyone heard any other ‘torture track’ examples?