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Are my standards too high?
Dear Gang,
I have heard a number of box speakers and only the cream of the crop are just about tolerable. In other words there is nothing out there that can truly impress me regardless of price.
The KEF LS50 is a state of the art world class loudspeaker. It has won multiple awards and is used by John himself. A few years ago I decided to go and listen to a pair to see what the fuss was about. They were not setup perfectly but there was no bass. All i could hear was typical uneven ported bass response. The highs were a bit bright and off axis response was uneven. Horrible. I then got a chance to hear the kef Ref ones which were supposed to be the finest speaker that could be made by mankind. They failed to impress me. No bass at all. Then i heard the blades and finally i heard proper bass below 40hz. But the blades were not perfect either. And given their cost they should have been perfect. They didnt sound very refined. Imaging was a bit average.
Gang, I have come to the realization that either most speakers out there are a hoax (overpriced and overrated) OR my standards are simply so high that the worlds finest 'peaker engineers cannot produce anything that can satisfy my perfect standards.
The only answer to this riddle is to train audiophiles to understand that the speakers currently on the market are substandard goods.We need to also attract better quality minds to the world of speaker design and weed out the people that dont know what theyre doing. There are obviously some people who are better at doing things than others. Am I right? If we can get rid of the worst speaker designers out there and replace them with superior designers, then we will end up with much better speakers on the market for us to enjoy. Its a win win
I have heard a number of box speakers and only the cream of the crop are just about tolerable. In other words there is nothing out there that can truly impress me regardless of price.
The KEF LS50 is a state of the art world class loudspeaker. It has won multiple awards and is used by John himself. A few years ago I decided to go and listen to a pair to see what the fuss was about. They were not setup perfectly but there was no bass. All i could hear was typical uneven ported bass response. The highs were a bit bright and off axis response was uneven. Horrible. I then got a chance to hear the kef Ref ones which were supposed to be the finest speaker that could be made by mankind. They failed to impress me. No bass at all. Then i heard the blades and finally i heard proper bass below 40hz. But the blades were not perfect either. And given their cost they should have been perfect. They didnt sound very refined. Imaging was a bit average.
Gang, I have come to the realization that either most speakers out there are a hoax (overpriced and overrated) OR my standards are simply so high that the worlds finest 'peaker engineers cannot produce anything that can satisfy my perfect standards.
The only answer to this riddle is to train audiophiles to understand that the speakers currently on the market are substandard goods.We need to also attract better quality minds to the world of speaker design and weed out the people that dont know what theyre doing. There are obviously some people who are better at doing things than others. Am I right? If we can get rid of the worst speaker designers out there and replace them with superior designers, then we will end up with much better speakers on the market for us to enjoy. Its a win win
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Go and find some MBL 101 X-tremes, when the shows start again. They’re mighty impressive with orchestral music. At Munich a couple of years ago that was all they were playing on them so I don’t know how they’d fare with a bit of motörhead or Tool, maybe you find out. I think you’ll find all hifi is a compromise, even the oligarch level stuff. |
"exceed my perfect standards". Oxymoron, K. You can't exceed perfection. If you're lucky, talented, and pay a lot of attention, you might get close to perfection. You can't achieve it though. There is no perfect here on earth.. But there sure is obsession with trying to achieve perfection, or is there K? Really I wonder? Regards |
Rather than taking pot shots at other people's work, try building your own. You have access to the same materials and physics that all speaker designers do. It's not hard to build a speaker that works. It's not even that hard to build a speaker that sounds pretty good....especially in today's world with computer and internet assistance. It gets increasingly more difficult to build a really, really good speaker that's profitable and attainable to audio consumers. |
" If we can get rid of the worst speaker designers out there and replace them with superior designers, then we will end up with much better speakers on the market for us to enjoy. Its a win win" - Yea, that’s the solution. Now go do that and don’t report back until you have that accomplished. " Because my standards are so high that it won’t be easy to produce a speaker that can exceed my perfect standards" - Exceeding perfection, I think you have work to do .... Remember, don’t report back until both the above, quoted items have been done. A trophy and a box of Oreos will be waiting for you ... |
LOL, if my browser is not messing with me I see 50 thread starters with only 9 remaining. That is an outstanding deletion rate. Reminds me of some other characters that were here back in the early days from 1999 to 2009. https://forum.audiogon.com/users/kenjit |
Are your standards too high? YES, also not based in any reality I have encountered. As for your 'perfect' standards, sounds like the 'perfect' sound of early CDs. As for this infatuation with sub-40 Hz, are you actually listening to material with content in that range or do you just want a Disco/Hip-Hop thump. Personally, I think you made the whole damn thing up. |
If a narcissist had a pet narcissist it would be this clown
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Are my standards too high?" IQ too low me thinks. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, what's with the name callin'? Nobody need to be that way. Good fun, can't be callin people a booger eatin' spaz. If you call names like booger eatin' spaz, The real BOOGER eatin' spazs will feel all left out. AND THAT AIN'T KOSHER, UNCOUTH, and just not in the spirit of "kenjit". Second, like a smart guy pointed out here on AG, why is your nose so close to your mouth? just sayin'. <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, I'm thinkin' I need to make him a perfect pair of speakers. Ok Guys/Gals/Other, what is the perfect size, shape, weight, (no color, primer only) driver complement, and cabinet material, NO GROUT, or Concrete. Under 500lb and over 500lb. K I need a CC #, as soon as the AG crew all chime in. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be close to the Johnny Cash Cadillac. The left may be a little different than the right. Shorter, or taller.. bigger, heavier, number of parts, hmmm, Left wifi, right bluetooth, the "Phantom" speaker in the middle, ZERO power requirements, YUP very special design.. The reason being, they will be a work in progress, could take a while, and well, bound to change our minds a time or two...AY? I'll start a Thread what do you think? Need a title that won't get bumped. Regards |
Kenjit, I don’t know if your post is serious, but I’ll give you a serious response. All speakers necessarily are made with compromises, both to cost and to physics. The notion of perfection is entirely subjective, and moreover since I don’t know what your criteria are, I cannot begin to answer your question. A transducer also interacts with the room dynamics and the associated equipment, the latter in often unpredictable ways. Active EQ such as Room Perfect can get you a long way to a great sound (or so I understand, as I haven’t been able to use it myself). So, there is no speaker that would sound perfect to everyone in every situation. Hence, how can the universe of speaker designers anticipate your particular requirements? If you really want to try to get perfect speakers, put together your requirements/critera along with a hefty check to a speaker designer and see if they will make you something custom. Who knows? Maybe for a 100 grand the designer of the LS50 would be happy to take on a side project. You can certainly pay more for imperfect (for you) speakers and besides, can you really put a price on perfection? |
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The only answer to this riddle is to train audiophiles to understand that the speakers currently on the market are substandard goods.Why in the world would we want to be trained? Just so we can all be as miserable as you? I am happy with the sound of my crappy speakers. If we can get rid of the worst speaker designers out there and replace them with superior designers...Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "get rid of"......since it sort of sounds like what happens when Dr. Evil gets angry and Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset....... |
mapman, re 'champagne vs. beer'...My problem in a nutshell, but approached as a challenge instead of a roadblock....;) oldhvymech....re your challenge of sending K a pair (No, not 'those'...geez...*L*).... I'll volunteer a pair of mine. Imperfect? Never claimed perfection, so...*shrug* To paraphrase, 'beauty is in the ears of the beholder'. Like most DIY, hours spent wrestling within limits to do Something. Significant, even if only to ones' self. Much like anyones' system, but instead of throwing $ (or ones' currency of locale), heart, soul, and sweat. Blood when something slips... In any case... ...it'll finally answer the Bigger Question. Does K 'have' a pair of speakers? (They're lightweight, too. No concrete. *G* Since I've no clue as to where K 'is' (physically....), donations gratefully accepted for packing & posting. Oh, and an address....no 'care of postmaster, to be picked up by receipiant' stuff. It Has to go to a door....) I'll expect a Serious Critque'. No 'obviously trash, so they got tossed into the street/trash/over the fence BS. Sweeps, graphs, measurements....all that has been claimed as 'the real deal' is mandatory. No acceptance=no play. The Game Ends. Standing by, J |
tlehma18 posts09-26-2020 7:27pmHuh??!!?? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot that! I’m coming out of hibernation to say you have stepped beyond ridiculous and entered into “Ludicrous” speed! Why do we, as a community, continue to support this claptrap? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because "YOU" ain't part of that community. Silly person... Easy to chime in with insults. Now chime in with an IDEA! JEALOUSY always brings unkind words.. Think!! Regards |
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