are magico better than electrostatic


magico speakers do not eliminate rear wave energy. They contain it inside a box where it bounces around and much of it comes out the cone. Also being a multi way speaker it splits the signal up into parts then tries to combine them again. This is never going to be as good as having a driver that can actually produce full range perfectly, which currently doesn't exist.

So how good really is magico? how would it compare with the perfect speaker if it existed? 

what makes a magico that much better than an average speaker such as ATC?




kenjit
what makes a magico sound that much better to an average listener than ATC? 
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I think the OP's prejudices are not borne out in listening or science. 

ESL's superiority comes from it's lack of interaction with the room at distance.


The trade offs are often dynamic range, smooth frequency response, off-axis listening and lack of distortion, which a good multi-way, dynamic system can easily accomplish.


To dismiss multi-way speakers, and praise ESL's that way is a very subjective point of view, and he is oddly equating one brand of dynamic drivers (Magico) as representing all, while talking about all ESL's, which is also completely impossible to make a comparison to.


A better place to start would be to compare 2 specific models around the same price point and ask where the value is best.
Ted Denney uses Magico in the Synergistic Research testing room. He really likes them. Givens: He can afford anything on the market; He has the best across the board long term track record; and the best ears. Given all that I would have to say its safe to infer Magico is it.
Of course, another comparison would be open baffle multi-way speakers to ESLs.


Easier to achieve a smooth frequency response and dynamic power handlng, with much of the same room interaction and lack of issues with the enclosure.



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ATC is not an average speaker by any measure! I think that they can be confidently compared with any speaker and not found wanting.
The problem with magico is its an expensive speaker but it doesnt solve the main problem of rear energy absorption. Wouldnt you be better off building an anechoic room with that kind of money and putting drivers in a wall? or just vent the rearwaves outdoors so that they dont reflect back out the front. That would be state of the art. 

what you are hearing with magico is part of the front wave mixed with some rear wave reflections. This cant be state of the art.





The problem with magico is its an expensive speaker but it doesnt solve the main problem of rear energy absorption.



The OP has yet to prove this is a problem. It's a design feature.

I think the OP's prejudices are not borne out in listening or science.

they have a horrendously expensive speaker called the Q1. basically a passive two way allegedly using superior parts. 

now where is all that rear energy going to go? 





Was the removed post ebm's?
I was the person who removed my post. I had made a comment that was not going to be productive to the conversation and it was based on my pre-conceived opinion of the OP's motivation for the post. 
I’m confused. The OP cites electrostatic speakers in the title but references a dynamic driver speaker (ATC) in the intro. 

I don't think we can fathom a guess why Magico speakers cost what they do or why the speakers are designed the way they are. 
The problem with magico is its an expensive speaker but it doesnt solve the main problem of rear energy absorption. Wouldnt you be better off building an anechoic room with that kind of money and putting drivers in a wall? or just vent the rearwaves outdoors so that they dont reflect back out the front. That would be state of the art. what you are hearing with magico is part of the front wave mixedwith some rear wave reflections. This cant be state of the art.

"What makes Magico better than an average speaker such as ATC?"

DUDE, what is seriously wrong with you? This is now the second time in a week I’ve had to respond to one of your insane statements. ATC is an "average" speaker? Where do you even get this from??? ATC is one of the most respected and revered speaker manufacturers in the world. What the hell do YOU listen to???

And the "main problem" of rear energy absorption? There is no "main" problem with speakers . ALL speakers have problems -- it’s just how you manage the trade offs. Maggies, ESLs, bipolar, di-polar, traditional dynamic box speakers -- they all have their strengths and limitations. Can you just stop with your insane and incoherent rants please???

I bit, and I kinda regret it. I’d urge the rest of the reputable A’gon community to not engage this moron. I personally will not waste any more time on him. Peace out.



I’ve owned Martin Logan Aries and Quests, Dunlavy SCIV and SCIVa’s, and ATC SCM 20-2A’s. Enjoyed all of them for what they offer.

But for those considering the flagship Magico Q7, if they are well off enough to build out an audio room, then paying the $250k price for a pair of speakers doesn’t seem unreasonable.
This is a silly thread, while I'm no Magico fanboy, the premise and attack here is hard for me to take seriously.

Why question 1 brand vs. an entire technology?

Why not "Are ESL's ever going to be as popular as box speakers?" 
Or "Why don't ESL's fix their back wave problem? "
A huge problem with ESLs is that fact that they are dipoles. Rigid inert cabinets are the best way to deal with energy. Doubt this and listen to a Harbeth sometime.
Has the originator of this thread actually listened to any Magicos? Per Soix, every speaker has an issue. I will take it one further: there is no perfect speaker. Every speaker does have at least one issue. It depends on each individual’s taste and priorities which issues which things they are going to trade off. I sold off my Dynaudio Contour 20s when I got my Magnepan 1.7i pair. They were amazing when I auditioned them. I do love them. The trade off? Positioning is crtitical and bass can be iffy at times. Sometimes I turn on a subwoofer that I have connected. Bass pretty much solved. Fast forward to not long ago and I auditioned the Magico S series and the A3s. OMG. Well I ordered the A3s. Should be taking delivery of them soon and there will be a LONG audition battle. Are Magicos good? The short answer is yes. A longer answer is it depends. It depends on the trade offs you are willing to make. What about the Magicos you like and the rest of your system. You need to put a good system around them. Otherwise, garbage in and garbage out. You need good power supply and handling, interconnects, sources, Preamp and amp. When I auditioned the Magicos I heard them with a system that included Transparent, D’Agostino, Chord Qutest and Roon Nucleus. 
These questions sound like they are written by morons on Quora. If you can’t afford can it! If you’ve never heard or owned stop with the idiotic premises. ATC is the Abbey Road mastering suite speaker of choice for decades. They are much better known in the Pro audio world and are often active speakers. Furthermore, speakers are the last piece in the chain. What goes in doesn’t get better, regardless of speaker. Is a Land Rover better than a Ferrari? Same sort of idiocy!
kenjit
are magico better than electrostatic

Best as in micro/macro detail, micro/macro dynamics, harmonic structure and distortion all comes down to how the speaker reacts to these signals. The lighter they are the more responsive they are to them.

The Best
1: Plasma tweeters, because the flame has no mass, but they can’t go down very low 5khz max with power.

2: ESL’s just a couple of micron thick with conductive sprayed coating, also are limited down to 150hz with power, then a dynamic driver or sub is needed to push that kind of air.

3: Planer speakers also use a thin diaphragm as the ESL’s but they have added mass of a voice coil etched on to the mylar, still lower than a cone driver.

4: Dynamic cone drivers.

Cheers George
Then you have horn speakers, they have great dynamics especially around the midrange but colors some other parts of the audioband.

I've heard the Magico M6 at an audio show and they were among the best speakers I've ever heard. I don't care how they did that, they can be compared to any speaker anywhere.

I just wish they can repeat it for a 1/100th of the price, then I might buy them.
Don’t get tricked by this poster. He’s got nothing to offer. He (or she) can’t even write a correct question.
new age contains with open baffle speakers, you must try and listen Open baffle's , they are far better than anything , for ex. diesis audio ;)
I have little or no opinion regarding this