what makes a magico sound that much better to an average listener than ATC?
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I think the OP's prejudices are not borne out in listening or science.
ESL's superiority comes from it's lack of interaction with the room at distance.
The trade offs are often dynamic range, smooth frequency response, off-axis listening and lack of distortion, which a good multi-way, dynamic system can easily accomplish.
To dismiss multi-way speakers, and praise ESL's that way is a very subjective point of view, and he is oddly equating one brand of dynamic drivers (Magico) as representing all, while talking about all ESL's, which is also completely impossible to make a comparison to.
A better place to start would be to compare 2 specific models around the same price point and ask where the value is best.
The problem with magico is its an expensive speaker but it doesnt solve the main problem of rear energy absorption. Wouldnt you be better off building an anechoic room with that kind of money and putting drivers in a wall? or just vent the rearwaves outdoors so that they dont reflect back out the front. That would be state of the art.
what you are hearing with magico is part of the front wave mixed with some rear wave reflections. This cant be state of the art.
The problem with magico is its an expensive speaker but it doesnt solve the main problem of rear energy absorption. Wouldnt you be better off building an anechoic room with that kind of money and putting drivers in a wall? or just vent the rearwaves outdoors so that they dont reflect back out the front. That would be state of the art. what you are hearing with magico is part of the front wave mixedwith some rear wave reflections. This cant be state of the art.
"What makes Magico better than an average speaker such as ATC?"
DUDE, what is seriously wrong with you? This is now the second time in a week I’ve had to respond to one of your insane statements. ATC is an "average" speaker? Where do you even get this from??? ATC is one of the most respected and revered speaker manufacturers in the world. What the hell do YOU listen to???
And the "main problem" of rear energy absorption? There is no "main" problem with speakers . ALL speakers have problems -- it’s just how you manage the trade offs. Maggies, ESLs, bipolar, di-polar, traditional dynamic box speakers -- they all have their strengths and limitations. Can you just stop with your insane and incoherent rants please???
I bit, and I kinda regret it. I’d urge the rest of the reputable A’gon community to not engage this moron. I personally will not waste any more time on him. Peace out.
I’ve owned Martin Logan Aries and Quests, Dunlavy SCIV and SCIVa’s, and ATC SCM 20-2A’s. Enjoyed all of them for what they offer.
But for those considering the flagship Magico Q7, if they are well off enough to build out an audio room, then paying the $250k price for a pair of speakers doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Has the originator of this thread actually listened to any Magicos? Per Soix, every speaker has an issue. I will take it one further: there is no perfect speaker. Every speaker does have at least one issue. It depends on each individual’s taste and priorities which issues which things they are going to trade off. I sold off my Dynaudio Contour 20s when I got my Magnepan 1.7i pair. They were amazing when I auditioned them. I do love them. The trade off? Positioning is crtitical and bass can be iffy at times. Sometimes I turn on a subwoofer that I have connected. Bass pretty much solved. Fast forward to not long ago and I auditioned the Magico S series and the A3s. OMG. Well I ordered the A3s. Should be taking delivery of them soon and there will be a LONG audition battle. Are Magicos good? The short answer is yes. A longer answer is it depends. It depends on the trade offs you are willing to make. What about the Magicos you like and the rest of your system. You need to put a good system around them. Otherwise, garbage in and garbage out. You need good power supply and handling, interconnects, sources, Preamp and amp. When I auditioned the Magicos I heard them with a system that included Transparent, D’Agostino, Chord Qutest and Roon Nucleus.
These questions sound like they are written by morons on Quora. If you can’t afford can it! If you’ve never heard or owned stop with the idiotic premises. ATC is the Abbey Road mastering suite speaker of choice for decades. They are much better known in the Pro audio world and are often active speakers. Furthermore, speakers are the last piece in the chain. What goes in doesn’t get better, regardless of speaker. Is a Land Rover better than a Ferrari? Same sort of idiocy!
Best as in micro/macro detail, micro/macro dynamics, harmonic structure and distortion all comes down to how the speaker reacts to these signals. The lighter they are the more responsive they are to them.
1: Plasma tweeters, because the flame has no mass, but they can’t go down very low 5khz max with power.
2: ESL’s just a couple of micron thick with conductive sprayed coating, also are limited down to 150hz with power, then a dynamic driver or sub is needed to push that kind of air.
3: Planer speakers also use a thin diaphragm as the ESL’s but they have added mass of a voice coil etched on to the mylar, still lower than a cone driver.
4: Dynamic cone drivers.
Then you have horn speakers, they have great dynamics especially around the midrange but colors some other parts of the audioband.
I've heard the Magico M6 at an audio show and they were among the best speakers I've ever heard. I don't care how they did that, they can be compared to any speaker anywhere.
I just wish they can repeat it for a 1/100th of the price, then I might buy them.