dvd audio will not play on a regular dvd player.Some and in the future supposedly all sacd discs will be dual layer and play on cdp,dvd,dvd-a,and sacd players.This is the only advantage of sacd other than the few people who own both saying that the sacd is superior and that it is not even close.[check out audio asylum sacd/dvd-a forum]What will happen is anybodys guess? My guess is that sacd will become the audiophile format and dvd-a will become the mass market winner as consumers are already accustomed to the dvd format.Hardware of the future will play all of the current formats and everybodys a winner,at least until hd-dvd is released in a few years, then we will all be selling are dvd hardware and software for hd-dvd. I my self bought the 9000 es dvd/sacd/cd player and the dvd pitcure quality and cd playback are worth the $$ alone.The fact that this player has sacd is a bonus.My last player the 7000 had a better pitcure than the 7700 that replaced it.So i went without dts for a year and a half until the 9000 came out.If they come out with a player that plays all formats in multi channel soon,i will not wait another year and a half,unless of course hd-dvd looms in the not so distant future which is unlikely.
I agree with Ears well stated post. IMO SACD is the superior formatt, but DVD-A will be better understood by consumers. Someday, we hope, a multi-formatt player will be avalible. I don't believe however that all three formatts can remain marketable. I think Standard cd will remain for the time being, if DVD-A continues to be as poorly received as the reviewers have received it, it will die first.(or be reinvented to video/audio/multi-media) SACD will only survive in the audiophile world, and only then if more lables use it. Much of this has been talked about here on Audiogon, and this is my personal take on it all. Finally MP3 or some form of it will be the next "major" formatt. Sadly I can see the day that only MP3 is avalible with cd, vinyl and SACD only avalible through the Audiophile outlets. DVD, DVD-A will evolve and again the masses win, we the few will suffer untill the next "great" breakthrough! Look to vinyl as the model. They survived cassette tapes and cd, but if you asked "Best Buy" or the others if they sold "vinyl" can you imagine the look the zitty high school kid would give you? J.D.
I agree. I have a 9000ES and love it as a CD/DVD player. SACD is a bonus.
In a year or two, DVD-A will not only be on most DVD players, it'll be on most preamps/processors--much like what happened with DTS. In a year, you or I could regrade our preamps and get DVD-A.
There's really 3 competing formats, DVD-A, SACD, and 96/24 DAD. I see 96/24 DAD dying. Chesky has already announced that they're discontinuing their 96/24. Dying because of lack of copy protection. Frankly, I do not believe that DVD-A will be any better than 96/24--even the 192/24 variation.
SACD is becoming the recording studio standard. It's superior to 192/24. That will keep SACD alive, not to mention the Audiophiles who prefer the best.
DVD-A will survive--just like DTS is surviving today. It is an improvement over 44/16, and it comes free.
In my opinion the popularity of SACD will be software driven. If Sony/Columbia/etc. discontinue making 44/16 discs and sold dual layer CD/SACD for a similar price as CDs, SACD would be a resounding success. If SACDs stay in the $20 price range, it'll be about as popular as DADs. Sony is a mass market manufacturer--not high end. They'll bring the prices down. The only questions are "how much" and "when".
Same goes with DVD-A. It needs more and less expensive software. So far, DVD-A has been losing the real battle-- Software.
Small comment: many expess opinion that one of the reason (sometines as a major one) the DVD-A formar will win is because people aree accustomed to DVD Video. However, sound part (multi-channel stereo or two-channel stereo) can equially easy to be carried by SACD. The "elefant" is software. Will movie soundtracks be available in multiformats (DVD-V/SACD and DVD-V/DVD-A) or mostly in one format. Even more decisive will be price difference btween CD's and these formats. Finally, expressed opinion that recording studious love DSD process is correct. However, it is extremely easy during editing to transfer it any desired (by market) format. Technically, even MP3. - Simon
I don’t want to insult anyone’s purchase or opinion here. But I think SACD is dead, and DVD isn’t likely to die out. I say this because there’s SO much DVD marketing already out there. If you look to the past and consider how long laser discs have been around you’d realize that most consumers see DVD new packaging of old technology. YES DVD is different, but many people who bought video disc the first time round JUMPED at DVD when it came out. Most DVD players play CD’s. Soon many will play DVD-A. That’s a whole lotta marketing and history for SACD to overcome. Lastly, I’d like to ask anyone reading this thread if you can walk into your local “video outlet” and rent DVD’s? - I know I can, and the selection grows each and every week!Its all in the dollars brothers and sisters. …And whether we like it or not, whatever format is main stream will win.
But DVD-A requires a DVD player. DVD-A discs will never play on CD players. You won't be able to play it in your car, boombox, or CD based stereo system. Dual layer SACDs can. I still contend, however, whoever has the most software at the lowest prices wins. Right now SACD is winning the most, but is slightly behind in regards to prices.
I think that Awdeeofyle and Tmartinjr bring up very valid points. Whichever one can supply the most software at reasonable prices and a good selection will force manufacturers to supply the hardware to play it on. In other words, if everyone goes towards DVD-A reproduction, we'll start seeing boom boxes and car systems that are DVD-A capable, etc... The same goes for SACD. Manufacturers will produce whatever the market is calling for. Since they have to pay royalties to either of the patent-holders to build the machines, their allegiance is to the design that will make them the most money. The thing about SACD is that so far, only audiophiles are basically aware of it while the general public has already been exposed to the basic precepts of DVD as both an audio AND video platform. I think it will be far more commercially accepted simply because it offers greater versatility in the consumers eye. They can buy ONE player and either watch or listen to whatever they like. Another "problem" with SACD is that it has been around for over a year now and the selection is pretty limited thus far. Out of the MILLIONS of artists and recordings available, how many are out on SACD so far ? Sony has been slow to supply the goods for their own machines and i don't see tons of other companies jumping on the bandwagon on a daily basis. Personally, i'm going to wait this one out a bit before shelling out the cash. I know that i'm not alone in this stance either. This topic has come up WAY too often as of late for me to be thinking these thoughts all by myself. The way that technology is moving, it's possible that BOTH formats might die in their infancy..... Sean
I don't believe there will again be a single format that will reign the way CD has for the past decade. Like it or not, MP3 is here to stay. Let's face it, the average Joe thinks MP3 sounds just fine, thank you. And the venerable CD isn't going away anytime soon. But as long as there are people willing to spend $3k+ on a stereo amplifier, there will be a demand for a better-sounding format. If the studios are willing to support both SACD and DVD-A, I can imagine a market in which both are able to survive to serve audiophiles. Just a couple years ago people were trying to call the winner of the DD/DTS war. Today we see that both have been able to do well despite the other's existence. Whether DVD-A and SACD become "mainstream" will depend on software prices and availability. The current libraries may have a lot of great "reference" material, but I don't see much if any of the kind of music that I enjoy listening to. So where's it all heading? I think the future of music is one in which several formats of varying sonic quality will coexist and cater to listeners at all different levels of the market. I believe people will be listening to MP3, CD, DVD-Audio and SACD for a long time to come. Rather than waiting for a declared winner in the format war (I don't think there ever will be one), we should be pressing the electronics industry to expedite what is the logical result of these competing formats: a hybrid player that will play them all.
I think the points above are all very well stated. The lowest price could very well be the winner. MP3 is the ultimate winner (ouch) for boom box, auto and portable. I just hope something of quality does survive, I'd have a tough time doing all my listening on vinyl, I'm just to lazy, o.k. the truth is out, I'm lazy. J.D.
It occurs to me that not all of America has a desktop computer and internet access at home. As much as that's the case, I would point out that it's far less expensive for an inner-city teenager to buy himself a boombox and forty or fifty cd's than it would be to buy a computer and high speed internet access. Until computers become as common as refrigerators or stereos I don't think we have to worry about the extinction of dedicated, physical listening formats.