Are DAC prices reflecting sound quality?


I'm very confused here. While I know the price of a unit doesn't define how good it will sound, I do expect a significant positive correlation between the two.

But right now there is an Esoteric D70 DAC on Agon going for almost $3k. While the unit was very highly reviewed back in 2004, many claim digital has evolved A LOT over the last 5 years, and some claim the Berkely Alpha (a.k.a. BADA, @ $4k) and the PS Audio PWD (@ $3k) to be the best ever DACs. So is the D70 that good, or should its market price be lower to compensate for the lesser sound quality?

Opinions?
lewinskih01

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Could be. Might not be too.

I’ve gotten the impression, most if not all of the manufacturers of whatever, out there have a pretty good idea of how to assess their products value. Much of the time. I also feel many of them are in dire need of a mental health professional, not a CPA,, in this regard. I think they take what is a good price and double it… or add some unknown levy upon it and see if it flys or falls sometimes.

Be that as it may…

There’s no question there are always going to be those items made which will be sold only to the uber-rich. The One per centers. I think my gripe if I am too gripe, is the majority of high end manufacturers are not ALL in that category, yet they want to be so included.

Consequently they generate, after some time of being wwell received and having gained a widespread wave of respect for their innovations their reference and statement efforts for said ‘club’ membership. Any number of these no holds barred devices lay claim to great accolades and withstand the test of time quite well. The digital domain doesn’t fare quite so handily with respect to the time coefficient. Nor do these past efforts, digitally speaking, remain of a charitable spirit to those who paid dearly for them when new.

The bleeding edge. of life has a premium all to it’s own.

As the sound of any piece we attempt to by is always key, there’s going to be lots of good to great sounding DACs left over, in spite of the hurried pace digital has been geared to for some years now. The resale cost of these dated DACs I think has more to do with a skewed owners devotion or financial attachment, than to it’s actual performance. Some folks paid top buck for their gear and are therefore severely attached to it, albeit at the loss of perhaps a prudent perspective. When it comes time to part with it later.

But then wwe’re back to the sound of a thing. If performance is keyed to resolution and detail only, there’s a wealth of DACs about which will provide more for less currently than just five years ago. Easily.

For myself, the issue rests a bit further along the trail. Sound quality WITH resolution and detail is what I’d expect of a DAC today, as seen from a whole system viewpoint.. Which means the needs of the assortment as steered by my own preffs, dictate a piece doesn’t have to ALWAYS have all 3 characteristics firmly in hand for me to either buy it, or keep it.

Happily the sound associated with initial digital component releases has also matured handsomely.

I suspect what’s being seen in the preowned DAC sales market are those initially purchased SOTA items which now are seen as arguably over valued by their sellers. I mean after all, we’re not talking about A two seater Shelby 428 Cobra, V 12 Duesenburg, or Boat tailed Bugati which continue to appreciate in price!

Those days are ‘these’’ days too. There are folks that are spending tons on finding the debateable ‘best’ way to integrate digital into their stereo systems right now, and in just two or three years, somebody will improve upon the current SOTA DACs. Will that make todays converters any less of a performer? I don’t think so.

Add in the “flav of the month” flock, and the digital wheels begin to smoke so fast they are turning. I think one has to, as with computers or even audio gear in general, get in where and when they fit in. Current tech, previous tech, bleeding edge or vint-edge… and if you wind up with a great souhnding rig, and aren’t a driven human doing, and rather a human being, all will be well for a long, long, time for you.

As long as a DAC is still supported, interests me or just wow’s me, and has affordability I’d not have a problem considering it. Though like many I feel the digital wheels are moving faster than ever before so I’m quite likely to be more mindful of those units made within just a few years, or those which have been factory updated to current standards first…. But who knows what deal one will run across?

I imagine someone will say they’d put $$$$$$ into a 5 year old statement DCS DAC, for example, than maybe the same amount into a current other brand DAC.

I’d answer the Ops Q as Mostly… to the point of diminishing returns, thereafter it’s all about chocolate or strawberry.

Volume control?

Bare in mind too then, not all vol controls are created equally. Also, if a very nice preamp is added meaning one more item in the signal path controversy is at hand, a better sound might very well be had. A recent thread speaks about this here. Those with the better preamps felt the end result was better than the shorter signal path idea of DAC to amp. With active speakers one only needs a DAC, huh?

Shortest path is just the shortest (least expensive) one. Not necessarily the subjectively 'best' route.