ARC VSi60 vs PrimaLuna Integrated Amps

This thread is old and it compares the old Primaluna model. The new one I'm looking at now. I bought an Ayon from a dealer here on audiogon and he told me on the phone he sells Primaluna and they break. I thought "that's not what everybody else says" but he is very convincing. I took the bait and the Ayon is OK but now I'm learning a few things.

This "Dealer" never sold Primaluna and flat out lied to me when he said he sold it. I don't have a dealer near me but there is a guy that bought a new model, the Dialogue Premium. A guy has one near me and I saw it and heard it at his house. He had an VSI75 and before that had a big VAC that was expensive and he says the Primaluna is the best he's ever had. He pointed out how low the noise is from the amp during quiet passages. It's another world.

I might get the HP but don't know if I need that as the $3400 one had a ton of power. Does anybody know if the HP is that much better?

It looks good to me but I'm so gun shy after this Ayon thing I might buy one used to try out but I never see much Primaluna for sale and the couple pieces I saw were like 70 or 80% of the new price and I'm used to seeing 50 or 60% off for used.

Is the reason so few are for sale because they don't sell many in the first place?

Hi Mabonn thanks for answering. I find it hard to believe that you sold Audio Research separates to get Primaluna. I saw another thread where a guy sold his ARC Referance 30 preamp and Referance 110 power amp to get a Dialogue premium hp integrated with KT150 tubes in it.

Now that sounds awesome. I'm thinking of doing something really cool as a reference system so I may look at pre/power combos.

What do you guys think about the build quality of Primaluna?