ARC Ref 3 Main Output Impedance Question


I need some advice on how to hook my ARC Ref 3 pre up to my self-powered Paradigm Signature Servo subwoofer. As further explained below, ARC recommends that I use a crossover/connector tdevice hat has a higher input impedance than the one I currently use and is set up for balanced operation.

The Servo's input impedance is 25KOhms in SE mode and 20KOhms in balanced mode. I use the Servo for low frequencies (10hz to 35hz) in mono mode. To do this, I sum the L/R outputs of the Ref 3 by using a Paradigm X-30 crossover unit. The X-30 has an input impedance of 20KOhms in SE mode. There is no provision for balanced interconnect.

My Ref 3 is connected to the rest of the system as follows. Main 1 outputs are connected directly to my ARC VS-115 in balanced mode. The VS-115 has an input impedance of 300KOhms in balanced mode. Main 2 L/R channels are connected to the X-30 unit in SE mode. The X-30 sums the channels into mono and connects to the Servo is SE mode.

Based on a call with ARC, I was advised that my current subwoofer set-up is compromising the sound quality of the Ref 3 because (a) the X-30 input impedance of 20KOhm is the bare bones minimum that is recommended and (b) I am running one Main output in balanced mode and the other Main output in SE mode. Further, I was told that the current set up is making the Ref 3 work harder than it should.

ARC recommend that I use a crossover/connector device that operates in balanced mode and has a higher impedance than 20KOhm. If I recall correctly, something north of 40-50KOhm would be much better.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
bifwynne

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Bifwynne, Tom is a great guy. I have had quite a few nice conversations with him...
When you set up an op amp you can choose the amount of gain you want. Since it's acting as a buffer, no gain is required and therefore, the op amp is set to 'unity' or 1:1 gain. Meaning the signal you put in is the same as you get coming out.
Bob, as there is no such thing as a straight wire with gain, an active device added to the signal path will have some effect on the sound. However the effects should be minimal as the buffer used is being set to unity. I don't know which buffer Tom is using but he's very good at what he does. I'm sure the benefit of impedance matching is worth the minimal effects. Has anyone thought of doing a tube buffer stage?? Interesting. It would certainly be more expensive because buffering is needed for the inverting as well as the non-inverting input, but might be worth it. Maybe I need to make one if enough people would be interested
Someone needs to do a test to settle this debate.I'm wondering if distortion products go up?
Well I can tell you that I have looked at driving a balanced input of an ARC amp with a single ended input while looking at it on my scope. This was done with a 250W Dale non-inductive resistor loading the amps 8 ohm tap. This was on an amp that only had balanced inputs. The results were not pretty. It does tend to shift the DC operating points a bit and the amp would not clip at rated output. In fact you give up about half the amps output by doing this because there's no inverted input to drive that section of the amp. In my shop since I do not have a balanced output signal generator, I use one of ARC's IC based balanced converters. Signal goes in single ended and comes out balanced. Pretty nifty as I didn't want to spend the time to build one myself. How that relates to this issue is hard to tell although I would tend to think, at least with ARC products, it's best to present the balanced input of the amp with the same impedance on both inverting and non-inverting inputs.