Anyone try the replica B-60 Fidelity Research VTA?


My sammle moved not only up an down but also sidewards.
The reason as far as I can judge is the pin on the screw
which connect the inner and the outer collar. The inner collar
slides along this pin up and down but if there is
any play between this pin and the notch of the inner collar
the tonearm will move also sidewards. This means that the
'replica' is not as 'exact' as claimed by the producer.
I assume that this screw is better made by the orginal B-60 .
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nandric

My ''theory'' was that the spring tension in the VTF adjuster by the FR-64 ''does not care'' at which level the tonearm is in relation to the VTF. So I started with parallel position , the scale on the (SP 10) platter at the level of the ordinary (170g) record. The VTF was exactly 2 g. Then I moved the arm up to about 2-3 mm and measured again the VTF which was as before 2 g. Then I moved the arm to its original (parallel position) and from there for  2-3 mm down  . I got again 2 g as result.
Those are the results I'd expect when a pickup arm adjusts VTF in that fashion. That's why it's called "dynamic" balancing as opposed to "static" balancing.


Dear Cleeds, Look at my previous post (12-10-2018).

I mention there already dynamic function of the FR-64.

There are hardly any perfectly flat records. That is why

dynamic tonearms are invented. Static tonearms will

react different by ''crooked'' records. Losing pressure

(=weight, force) ''down'''and increasing pressure ''up''.

But you need to convince lew(m) not me (grin). 

Nandric, One rule of thumb in laboratory science is never to let your results dissuade you from an otherwise attractive hypothesis. So, first of all, congratulations to you for having the patience to do the experiment. My first reaction would be that your experiment illustrates just how minute are the changes in VTF associated with changing arm height at the pivot by only 2-3mm; minute enough that your SFG doesn’t detect it. However, there is also the remote possibility that I was wrong; dynamic balance does eliminate or at least ameliorate the amount of change in VTF associated with small changes in VTA. I was wrong once before, in 1952, so I suppose it’s possible that I’m wrong again. Once every 66 years is still a good batting average.

But seriously, it depends upon how the dynamic balance apparatus works inside the FR64S. I’ve never seen a cut-away drawing. Nor have I taken one apart. You start by static balancing the tonearm and cartridge so the arm wand floats horizontally in air at the VTF setting = 0. Then you twist the knob to achieve the desired final VTF. In some way, the device creates a downforce equal in magnitude to the setting on the venier (or near equal). It would seem to me that the spring-loaded downforce would still be subject to changes in loading (meaning the shift in vector forces) at the business end of the tonearm (the stylus), when the vertical position of the pivot point goes up or down in relation to the stylus tip. But I am willing to admit, maybe not. If not, I’d like to understand why not. I’ve read all the propaganda about dynamic balance preserving VTF over warps, etc, and I’ve swallowed it whole, until now.

Aha!  I see how you guys might be correct.  The downforce is entirely supplied by the built-in mechanism.  Therefore, it is, over a certain part of the arc of the pivot point, independent of gravity (because the arm "thinks" it's balanced, end to end, like a seesaw).  It would be, so long as the artificial downforce, supplied presumably by springs, remains linear as the arm moves up and down due to LP warps and whatever else would perturb the tonearm.  At some point, as the arm wand moves down or up with respect to the pivot, I would not expect the force to remain constant, because the force of a spring is directly proportional to its compression or extension.  But for all practical purposes, I concede.

Dear Lew, See (google) ''FR 64 S Thomas Schick''. There are

pictures illustrating rewiring of  the FR-64. One can also see

the spring for dynamic function and VTF adjustment.

Chakster
Exactly, i don’t care about it at all. Also i don’t have any cartridge (i have about 20) that is so sensitive to the VTF or VTA, there is a range giving by the menufacturer anyway. In other words i just don’t understand people who are crazy about VTF/VTA for each record. If everything set up correctly i can not detect any difference in minor changes in my system which is very sensitive.

Slavic Riddle

What is the common element between someone that owns 20 (+) cartridges, and uses them all; and someone that changes VTA for every record ?